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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Shawn Nelson said:
Red's body is already on razor thin margins, if not being a loss leader outright, he can't afford to give student discount.
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Hey Shawn. You evidently have some information on RED's cost structure. How thin are these margins you're talking about?
 
Cardmaverick said:
Ok I've been thinking some more about this....

Perhaps Scarlet has been in development since Day 1 at Red, and they just never said a single word about it till NAB 2007.

This little gem could be on sale very soon.

Total industry sneak attack!

.... at least thats what I'm hoping for.
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If that happens, it will blow my mind.

I'm very thankful to Mr. Jannard and Co. for making this awesome camera company.
 
quite a few people i know are interested, but are concerned about delivery delays and lineups, so iam wondering if the approach will be like the red one.
 
So, that means us little guys might be able to get one, lets say, 2018?
 
While Im INCREDIBLY excited about this camera, and generally foaming at the mouth with any shred of new information, its pretty disheartening not knowing if Ill be able to get one or not. I mean, are the first units held for REDONE people or will a whole new reserve list begin for Scarlet? Do I have to be present at NAB to reserve one, or outright buy one, or can I reserve one online the day of the announcement?

It'll be difficult for me, if not impossible to make it to NAB this year, but I, like everyone else on this board want one of these things as soon as humanly possible(an amazing acheivement on RED's part being as that nobody outside of the RED team actually know what Scarlet really is!) :w00t:

As I have said before, if this camera is in the realm of what I believe its going to be, then it will be an insane camera to have with me on some surf shoots Ive got going on in the second half of 2008. I just wish I had some sort of idea of a general idea of an overall idea of some hint that I might be able to get one in April.:waaa:
 
Jim has already said that they will not be taking reservations for Scarlet. He has also said that he is considering offering first dibs to original reservation holders. I interpret this to mean that there will be no new reservation system but that there may be a bone thrown to the original reservation holders. All things subject to change, etc...
 
its nice of Jim to offer red users the scarlet first. But i believe for scarlet to own the market it has to:

-satisfy user's requests
-be unique and excel in what it does
-lastly and more importantly---deliver to the market
 
Jason Burkhimer said:
While Im INCREDIBLY excited about this camera, and generally foaming at the mouth with any shred of new information, its pretty disheartening not knowing if Ill be able to get one or not. I mean, are the first units held for REDONE people or will a whole new reserve list begin for Scarlet? Do I have to be present at NAB to reserve one, or outright buy one, or can I reserve one online the day of the announcement?

It'll be difficult for me, if not impossible to make it to NAB this year, but I, like everyone else on this board want one of these things as soon as humanly possible(an amazing acheivement on RED's part being as that nobody outside of the RED team actually know what Scarlet really is!) :w00t:

As I have said before, if this camera is in the realm of what I believe its going to be, then it will be an insane camera to have with me on some surf shoots Ive got going on in the second half of 2008. I just wish I had some sort of idea of a general idea of an overall idea of some hint that I might be able to get one in April.:waaa:
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Yeah that's the thing huh.. Jim wants to compete (or should I say defeat) Sony in this arena :biggrin: , but I can go into any number of shops today in London, UK and buy an EX1 off the shelf.. They don't reserve the camera first for "Friends of Sony".. And if it's faulty Sony provide an excellent two year warranty that I can exercise here in the EU.

Personally I think you are mistaken to already want to spend your hard earned money on device about which you know almost nothing. I say this is a friendly way of course; (I have been a RED1 reservation holder since NAB last year and I am also very interested to hear what RED plan to create with the name "Scarlet"..). But I do think that the market in the area of Professional HandHeld Camcorders is very competitive and that there are many excellent devices already on the market; and after NAB2008 I'm sure there will be more.

So RED really have a lot to do here to create a device that really stands out! The big selling point of the RED1 is that it is true 4K recorded in-camera at a very competitive price point. That's pretty revolutionary! But in the mass market camcorder world: Sony already make a true 1080P camcorder recording to Flash in camera at a very competitive price point..

The big question is: How is RED going to improve on the EX1 ..or whatever even better new HVX model that Panasonic may introduce at NAB2008..?
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
true 1080p?? I'm not so sure about that
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hmm, ok... the EX is using 1920x1080 progressive imagers, resolving 1000 lines, and writing 1920x1080 progressive images to disc (in HQ mode). How is it not true 1080p?
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
true 1080p?? I'm not so sure about that
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:calm: Do you have specific credible information to back up that statement? LOL Even on REDuser you can't get away with comments like that about a Sony product without providing evidence..
 
Wouldn't it be more logical to get scarlet to people who don't already have Red so that even more people get to know the company and spread the word regarding how good it is?
 
maybe the EX is using 1920x1080 progressive imagers but:

*I hate sony
*I hate hdv

so I will wait a bit
 
the colour space is only 4:2:0 , hopefully scarlet would benefit from everything that has been worked out for the red one, 1080p with full colour information recording to 16gb cf cards would actually blow the EX1 away. also given some of the reviews the EX1 suffers a massive resolution drop with movement. lock off and still its ultra sharp. soon as it moves that apparently drops off considerably.
 
darkkelt said:
the colour space is only 4:2:0 , hopefully scarlet would benefit from everything that has been worked out for the red one, 1080p with full colour information recording to 16gb cf cards would actually blow the EX1 away. also given some of the reviews the EX1 suffers a massive resolution drop with movement. lock off and still its ultra sharp. soon as it moves that apparently drops off considerably.
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Yep, I agree, these are definitely things that Scarlet would look to improve on.
 
And at that resolution 1080p or 2k we could use lower speed cards and possibly get up to 120fps. JandR has a 16gb CF card for $199 right now thats rated at 20MB. course nobody knows its true speed til you put it through its paces. but we don't need 27MB for 2k or 1080p :)
 
darkkelt said:
also given some of the reviews the EX1 suffers a massive resolution drop with movement. lock off and still its ultra sharp. soon as it moves that apparently drops off considerably.
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Do you have links to these reviews or sample footage? I've heard this mentioned a couple of times, first in reference to the original xdcams and now the ex (in most cases from panasonic owners). However I've downloaded quite a few sample clips from the EX and have yet to see this. The only time I've seen it go soft is from motion blur... in fact I suspect this is what people are seeing, I believe on the EX with the shutter off you are essentially using a 1/24th shutter speed when shooting 24p which tends to exaggerate the motion blur with even the slightest movement.
 
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