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one to one pixel for monitoring

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Stuart,
Can't find any reference in the archives, how feasible is a one to one pixel display on the 720p output?

Ideally activated by a momentary push button.
Very useful for a quick focus or lens check on the fly or during replay in the field.

Many RED users will put the camera to innovative use and may have to pull focus on the fly, not a common activity with 35mm film.


Mike Brennan
 
gibby used this method with success, look to the threads, he started.
because i dont remember in which thread he talked about it.
 
There's a 2x [ish?] zoom mode as of today. Having spent a lot of time using that feature, I wonder about the real benefits of a 100% zoom focus mode. I've been pleasantly surprised by how sharp I can eye focus using the current zoom mode.

That said, it would be nice.
 
I would say that in all that we have done with our red cameras, all that we have learned ... all that we have seen ... be able to see 1 x 1 pixel "zoom in" from the sensor is the single most exciting feature which is NOT in any current spec -

IMHO this would make the Red camera "complete" -

and this is much more exciting to me than RGB or 1080, etc. -

even with the "focus assist" and the "zoom in" button - it takes some real skill to get 100% rock solid critical focus when you are shooting fast - and when you film it out and throw it up on a big sheet - you sure can see when you are off even the slightest. This is the one feature I hope Red re-considers and rolls into the spec.

Pixel for pixel. Out the preview.
 
insert snarky comment about hiring a good 1stAC here.
 
offhollywood said:
one to one monitoring
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I don't really see how this will work if the subject and/or camera are moving around unless you've got a 4K display. Great for setting marks though.

I just think the focus assist has to be good enough to do it. It's got access to 4K of info and if it can paint the screen accurately with cues then you're there. Fighter jets have heads up displays that put crosshairs on targets. They don't have one to one monitoring (or lines on the edge of the screen). To me focusing RED should be more like a video game and less like navigating the Santa Maria.

Either that or get 1080P or 2K coming out to a monitor so we can use a 24" monitor for focus. But really I just want to be able to use that viewfinder to focus.
 
I'd like a 1:1 display as well, but I'd like it in a window so the operator can continue to hold the frame.

Actually, I'd like it to look like this:
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Nice ibloom,

Show selection of 1-1 pixel for areas that the focus assist show maximum output (= maximum focus).

/begin: madman rave section
Little bit like the picture of a magnifying glass viewing an out of focus newspaper except the high magnification view would not be controlled by where you pointed the magnifying glass but at what object was in focus. This information is feed by the focus assist signal. As controlled by lens focal ring more than just where centre of camera was pointed. It'd be a little bit like an flying disc moving around your view finder as you moved the camera and adjusted the focus area with focal ring. Of course you'd have to have it biased towards the centre but could use the new Red handled joystick w/ thumbwheel gitzo to move it off the centre if either the whole X or Y axis was in focus. Maybe you could have 3 levels of magnification insuring the entire frame (unless the critical focus was hard against the frame edge) was showing in the view finder.

/end: patent pending section

Can we have it by 31st Dec?

Cheers,
 
...I'd just like a camera.

ibloom, I like the windowed idea. Maybe take it one step further and let the operator cycle or toggle a couple different sizes of windows and position it wherever they want in frame. Or select how many of those windows are visible and what sort of arrangement.
 
joelnet said:
To me focusing RED should be more like a video game and less like navigating the Santa Maria.

Either that or get 1080P or 2K coming out to a monitor so we can use a 24" monitor for focus. But really I just want to be able to use that viewfinder to focus.
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I don't know how hitting a hot button which displays a 1280 x 720 window of the sensor which you can move around with your joystick (to sample different parts of the sensor) is like navigating the Santa Maria. To me, that's a simple as it gets. Push a button, see pixel for pixel, push a button - back to frame.

And that would be the point, any size monitor would work. You would not need a 24" 1080 or 2K monitor.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
...I'd just like a camera.

ibloom, I like the windowed idea. Maybe take it one step further and let the operator cycle or toggle a couple different sizes of windows and position it wherever they want in frame. Or select how many of those windows are visible and what sort of arrangement.
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I agree that choosing arrangements might be nice. But simplicity is key. Just accept the fact that in a run and gun situation no focus assist will be perfect. To some extent they will spraying bullets at the target. More bullets more bulls eyes, I guess.

I'd rather not need to be touching the joystick while I'm operating. It's already difficult to get to the back of the camera. In a documentary situation, where the operator is also focusing, I prefer one hand on the lense and the other on the body, I 'd like to hit a single button and get confirmation that I'm sharp, hit a button again and go back to concentrating on framing.

Likewise I'd rather not have an AC touching my joystick. Especially while I'm operating. I'd prefer them not touching the joystick on the camera while I'm operating either.

I apologize. That may be my first lowbrow joke on Reduser.

IBloom
 
Yes, definitely simple is the way to go. I'm thinking more along the lines of making it configurable, but while operating it's a simple toggle on/off situation.
 
offhollywood said:
I don't know how hitting a hot button which displays a 1280 x 720 window of the sensor which you can move around with your joystick (to sample different parts of the sensor) is like navigating the Santa Maria.
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I want to go handheld and be able to focus on moving actors. Imagine that for a moment.

You think I can hit a hot button in the middle of a live take, hold the camera, joystick the magnified area around, guess what just happened to the composition, recompose and hold focus with my 3rd hand? I think I'll be pretty good but...

If an actor moves from one part of the frame to another there's no way to track them and hold focus if I can't see the whole frame.

What you're describing is a good solution for setting marks. To me that's like charting a course - which is ok but not the best. You're relying on stars (actors) and plot points.

Damn that was a good metaphor.
 
I've voiced my preference for this feature many times myself, but since there hasn't been any response from the RED camp on the issue, add me to this list as well. :-) I don't find the current "2x" mode sufficient in all situations; a 1:1 mode would be greatly appreciated.
 
Nah,
i think there's a way. If you've got this floating bubble/s of clear magnified pixels floating on top of the in-focus section round your view finder and you can effect how aggressive or expansive the magnified areas are, then I think you could use it to see if you're tracking your focus point correctly. you would vary the amount of magnification of your focus bubble and maybe on the out of focus rest of picture place some transparent grid or some other overlay. One hand on the focus ring and the other in the AC's teeth for taking liberties or on the focus assist switch.


Dave,
 
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