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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Another Remote FF thread...

CVB said:
LOL... FYI.. what others are charging focus motors...

Heden M28VP $5,154.00
Heden M28VPT $5,595.00
Heden M28VT $5,100.00
Preston DM1 $2,400.00
Preston DM2 $2,400.00
Palomar M-One $2,100.00
MK-V $2,594.00
Arri CLM-1 $3,320.00
Arri CLM-2 $3,030.00
AVERAGE $3,510.33

With that in mind and withs Red's philosophy what do you think a fair price would be? (I feel like a sales guy on the late night paid ads)
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these are for ###.com and ***.net users. And not for all.. ehehehe

this is DVXuser2..

pay attention to the redrock micro..

can i be sincere, curt?

i had thought to buy yours but after the redrock announcement, i'll go with you but only if you'll offer a similar price.
 
Well I've seen the insides of Heden and Prestons and I assume that Arris are the equal and I have to say they are watch like in their quality. The gears are hobbed and ground, a time consuming and pricey process. This combined with the inherent precision required in the location of the parts relative to each other to eliminate backlash does not come cheaply. Then there are clutches to prevent the destruction of lenses if the electronics go ape shit. And as curt said the electronics themselves need to be compact and fit in wierd shaped spaces. All in all not an easy one to pull off. Therefore if RED can offer the equivilant of the best out there for a grand I would be very impressed.
 
I'm sorry to say: redrock is a really fascinating idea and not expensive, but for me it wouldn't be professional enough. Saw it at NAB an it feels a bit cheap to me. I understand, for that price but I would love to pay a bit more for a better materialisation, there is a german word for that: haptisch. My feeling is, that Curt and his brothers will find the best solution between price and professionalism.
 
Alexander, the protos that we are making are only board level... we may be able to make some SLAs but theres a lot going on at the moment. I'll see what we can arrange.

Filmmaker (sorry I forgot your first name)... the only way we (VFS) could hit redrock's price on the remote is if we used an off the shelf enclosure, got rid of the zigbee wireless transceiver, and used very low cost connectors. At that point our product would have a number of glaring problems... mainly that there would be much more noise in the system which translates to crappy footage or lost time trying to find another channel that has no interference. One the connector side... you get what you pay for, if we use crappy connectors then the product might last a year then be worthless. As far as the enclosure goes, I refuse to use a standard off the shelf box... it just looks tacky. I come from an industrial design background and I would rather eat dirt (no offense chuck) then make a product that looks like crap... regardless of its functionality.

I appreciate everyones admiration for redrock products as they are making a market accessible to a number of people that would otherwise be relegated to rentals. I look at the redrock as being for individuals who are stepping up into the tv/cinema market rather than stepping down and as such their pricing is effective.

I just want everyone to know that the pricing on our stuff and reds stuff is not to ream you, it really is the minimum that needs to be charged to cover the manufacturing costs and overhead of the respective companies. Transceivers, custom plastics, precision gears and motors all cost money. Engineering something that is effective, fast, easy to use and wont require duct tape to adapt to different cameras is not always an easy thing to do.

BTW, redrock is doing a great job at making a motor/remote that will probably function very well, but they can't compete with the silence, speed, torque, and efficiency of a Heden, Arri, or Red motor. If I'm wrong on then I apologize.
 
I think Cavision is a much better example of nearly matching Arri quality but coming in vastly cheaper on their 5x5 matte boxes and FF units. The Redrock matte box at NAB (I stopped by their booth) did indeed appear quite shoddy, though I've heard they've improved it considerably since then.
 
I guess I'm not trying to say that price instantly equates to quality...
How about a car analogy... a toyota corolla is a car, a ferrari F430 is a car. You can drive both of them on the road and they will get you where you need to go. The toyota an excellent piece of engineering and the ferrari is as well but the toyota isn't necessarily a POS just because it costs less. All that matters in the end is that you get a car that fits you needs and that you understand that theres a fundamental difference between a toyota and a ferrari. You will not get a ferrari for the cost of a ford. I would equate Red to being a used ferrari, but one that has maybe 10 miles on it and is owned by an old lady who is going to sell it to you for $17000 because her husband is cheating on her with a younger woman. You are getting an awesome deal but are paying more than a corolla.
 
Too funny!
I got a Jaguar XJ-12 for $500.00 that way. And the women wasn't old!
But as you say the quanity of an item sold has direct relation to the price it can be sold for. But quality combined with durability and precision is going to cost X amount. RED can do it cheaper because they only have to print three letters on the item insted of four like Arri does. lol
 
Woohoo! Shawn loves VFS :-)
 
Michael... We're already on that. You can network the remotes to one receiver. To map a remote to the receiver you just press the "Pair" button... the remote will start flashing all its leds then you just press one of the buttons to lock that remote to the receiver. After the remote is paired to the receiver you can press one of the axis select buttons (zoom/focus/iris) and it will be controlling that axis. If you need to use another remote to control a different axis you can go through the same procedure to add another remote. The system will not let you select an axis that is already under control on another remote. The tricky part about the three axis is that its tricky to use without a reference.. ie if you have been using it for focus then jump to iris its not going to have any marking that can guide you. Its great if you just want to jump over to zoom and make an adjustment while looking at a monitor though. I'm looking into what it would take to toss a linear scale on the standard remote... basically make it two axis... I'm trying not to make it too complicated so we can get this thing shipping asap.

Basically there is minimal setup time... no searching for good channels or setting dip switches. The motors have an auto calibrate button that will find the lens limits so there is no need to adjust dials to set the limits. The entire process should take less than 30 seconds.

I don't know if there are encoders in the red lenses... but if they are setup for the i-lens then one would assume so. I could be wrong on that.

Shawn... aren't you a enginerd too? I thought I read that in an older post somewhere
 
yeah, BS - Computer Science, Summa Cum Laude, blah blah. (sigh). I generally try to hide it, as I feel it somewhat discredits me as a director (what I want to do), although it does come in very handy in being able to "get" the tech stuff in a moments notice and move on to tackling the creative. That stuff is more interesting!
 
Curt, will the receiver unit talk to the Birger EOS mount?

Tracy
 
Curt will the controller have a slide to control a stop motor?

Will it have variable rotation distance setting for short focus throw lenses.

I like the simple design and look of the unit. I could see this being the choice for many.
 
Glen, I've been talking to Erik and we're going to make sure the hardware is in place for a collaboration in the near future. I don't foresee any issues with making that happen.

Darren, Glad you like it :) We really think that two versions is the way to go.. especially at our price I don't think anyone feel cheated if we come out with a better one next year. Plus the receiver will carry over to the pro model so you can buy just the remote when it becomes available.

For the iris motor... we are trying to see if we can work a slider in but the main thing im worried about is wear and tear. A pot based slider is really noisy and they tend to leave gaping holes in the enclose that let moisture and debris in. I'll do my best to figure out something elegant but no promises :)

For the range scaling thats not a problem... the system automatically finds the limits of the lens and automatically scales the full range of the knob to the range of the lens throw. If you need to tighten up on a specific area of the lens throw then that might be something we can do as well.

Alexander... you are truely a sick man ;)
 
Curt,

I was looking at the Cmotion system at Cinegear and they had one very interesting feature: a beautiful young Austrian girl to demo the system. Got anything like that?

Other than that, it looks great!
 
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