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Bourne was grainy

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Keith Alan Morris

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Anyone else agree? I was just sitting there thinking the whole time, "I wonder how that would look on the Red?"

Of course that's what they were going for, the grainy aesthetic, and I liked the movies look, except for the constant whip pan closeups with no jump backs for masters to get your bearings...but still... it was grainy as hell!

Man, I gotta get a life.
 
Hehe... I plan on analyzing it myself on sunday afternoon.
 
Sure it was grainy, though actually not as much as I expected it to be. I did wonder how clean it would look if originated in 4K on a RED.

Good action movie, though, whip pans and all.
 
I was very disappointed in the look of it. Way too many fast shaky blurry shots that don't really show anything specific, but depend for their effect on what you infer from the way they're all put together - and lean way too heavily on the soundtrack. It looked like bad televison to me.
 
yes it was grainy but Most of the time I didn't mind, I actually thought it gave it a bit more of a "gritty" feel which fits with the story. But with red they could just add in grain later if needs be. It could have used a bit higher of resolution :). the projector seemed slightly out of focus to me, kind of irritating.

I look forward to 4k digital cinemas, good bye cigarette burns, Hello Incredibly high resolutions!
 
Sold out...so we opted for grain free simpsons. I just wonder if 4k projectors will just show more flaws in material that does originate in 4k...
 
Maybe that should temper your opinion of her text. :wink:

Mike C
 
"Grains are the random heartbeat of the movie industry"

Ok answers on a postcard....

mike C
 
The editor must be recouperating on valium

The editor must be recouperating on valium

I think it was great - and it is another example of how the feeling that is created is essential to the three dimentional aspect of the story - extending the action and stress to the aduience

The camera shake and editing techniques actually create stress in the viewer viscerely so that we can more closely experience what Bourne is feeling.

"Saving Private Ryan" broke new ground with these techniques in the first twenty minute battle scene.

The editor must be recouperating on valium - all I could think of was the stress on the editor watching those sequences over and over again as he refined the edit.

Where is it going to go next? - Actual schrapnel being thrown at the audience?

I can't wait for the amusement ride!

Aloha,

Keith
 
The handheld shaky-ness was taken too far, IMO. When it gets to the point of being distracting and taking you out of the story because you are noticing the technique, you've gone too far, IMO. I loved the movie overall, though. Great nonstop action picture.
 
Tom said:
The handheld shaky-ness was taken too far, IMO. When it gets to the point of being distracting and taking you out of the story because you are noticing the technique, you've gone too far, IMO. I loved the movie overall, though. Great nonstop action picture.
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Haven't seen it yet, but on my list. The first one, I thought was great: the second one nausiating. Is the camera move as nausiating as the second one? Since none of the reviews mentioned it, I was hoping he toned it down from the previous one.
 
Thom said:
Haven't seen it yet, but on my list. The first one, I thought was great: the second one nausiating. Is the camera move as nausiating as the second one? Since none of the reviews mentioned it, I was hoping he toned it down from the previous one.
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i read some reviews talking negatively about the motion/closeup jitteryness of it all. great movie, but more jiggly-wiggly than #2.

its as if he was pushing it to see how far he could go. would look good on the small screen, methinks...
 
I saw it and I thought it was indeed over the top shakey-cam this time. It just looked lazy to me actually. As though Greengrass thought that he could film Bourne "United 93" style to add realism. It, as mentioned before, actually took me "out" of the film. I don't mind it during intense sequences or for a natural effect, but the WHOLE film is a little much in my opinion.
 
Yep. There is an over-the-shoulder shot of Bourne sitting in a restaurant and the camera is shaking so much that it literally seemed like the op was doing it on purpose, in a really cartoonish manner. It pulled me right out of the picture.
 
I loved the hell out of it, but I agree... the handheld was about 120% of what it needed to be at times. I'm a born-and-raised handheld shooter... and it definitely made me refocus my eyes and think "what the heck?" a few times. That said, I know what the director/DP were going for and I think they did a fantastic job of achieving it. I wouldn't have made all of the same decisions, but whew... it was great no matter what kind of armchair camera operating I do here.
 
Handheld can be fine and used correctly it can serve the story, but when it draws attention to itself and takes the viewer out of the story, its gone way too far.

The "shakey-cam" look is a little like any other "effect" once you start doing it too often, it takes more and more of the same to stand out. Pretty soon what was once a tool used to drive the story becomes a style and ends up geting used in places where it has no business.
 
Brook Willard said:
I loved the hell out of it, but I agree... the handheld was about 120% of what it needed to be at times. I'm a born-and-raised handheld shooter... and it definitely made me refocus my eyes and think "what the heck?" a few times. That said, I know what the director/DP were going for and I think they did a fantastic job of achieving it. I wouldn't have made all of the same decisions, but whew... it was great no matter what kind of armchair camera operating I do here.
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I'd be curious as to what cinematic decisions you would make... (you know why) :)
 
If camera shake was intended it wouldn't change if it was digital or film. 35mm or 4K, same result. Find something else to latch on too.
 
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