Need Urgent Help Please

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

HI guyes I AM BRAND NEW member here i want to purchase like everyone here
RED camera and accessoreis but i am confused about DIGITAL MEDIA OPTIONS section what do i need to buy

1--RED DRIVE 320GB $900
2--RED RAM 64GB $4,500
2--RED FLASH (CF) Module $500
3--RED FLASH (EX34) Module $500
4--RED FLASH (SATA) Module $500
5--RED RAW PORT Module $6,500

WHich one is better is there is difference betwwen them ?
if i orderd number 5 is it enough ? some help please .

 

[Michael Schrengohst]

2 of these at $900--RED DRIVE 320GB $1800

1 of these at $500--RED FLASH (CF) Module $500

I would not order the RAW port until you hear
some 100% glowing reports about why you need it.

 

[Brook Willard]

Here's a brief excerpt from the FAQ-in-progress that should answer your question. The information in this post has not been checked or verified by any RED team member, so there very well may be mistakes. Do not take this as fact - it's just the best that I understand it.


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The first important thing to understand about the storage options is the way that the camera uses the available storage. Any form of onboard storage [any of the options listed below] can only record the REDCODE footage formats. No uncompressed formats of any kind can be recorded onboard the camera.

Additionally, the camera can only record to one storage device at a time. While the camera may have more than one storage device attached [onboard flash and an external drive, for example] at a given time, the user must choose which storage device is utilized.

As mentioned above, the storage options below are designed for REDCODE compressed footage. The following formats can be recorded onto every storage device listed below:

REDCODE RAW 4K [35mm sensor area] at up to 30p
REDCODE RAW 2K [Super 16mm sensor area] at up to 60p
REDCODE RGB 1080p [35mm sensor area] at up to 60p
REDCODE RGB 1080p [Super 16mm sensor area] at up to 60p
REDCODE RGB 720p [35mm sensor area] at up to 60p
REDCODE RGB 720p [Super 16mm sensor area] at up to 120p

Keep in mind that not all format options will be available immediately.

The exact data rates for each format and resolution are unknown. What is known is that the REDCODE RAW 4K resolution will likely fall between 24MB/s and 27.5MB/s. For more details on these formats, see the REDCODE section.

Since every storage option can record the same footage formats, the differentiation between storage options is broken into two key distinctions: solid-state media vs. spinning media and onboard media vs. outboard media. Keep an eye out for these distinctions in the media listed below.


RED DRIVE
320GB
$900
Spinning Outboard Digital Media

The RED DRIVE will most likely be the workhorse of RED ONE digital media. It is both the lowest priced and highest capacity media available at this time. It is an outboard media format that can be mounted in the RED RAIL CRADLE on the camera body or RAIL system. It interfaces with the camera via the Drive Connector LEMO on the back of the RED ONE camera body.

The 320GB RED DRIVE is made up of two 2.5” 160GB laptop hard drives arranged in a hardware-based RAID 0. The drives are in a RAID for data transfer speeds – it cannot be reconfigured to record in a RAID 1 mirrored formatting.

The RED DRIVE has five ports on its underside: the Drive Connector LEMO, Firewire 800, Firewire 400, USB 2.0 [mini-B] and a 12v power connector. The Drive Connector LEMO is used to connect the RED DRIVE to the camera for recording purposes. The Firewire 800, Firewire 400 and USB 2.0 ports are used to connect the RED DRIVE to a computer for transferring footage from the RED DRIVE to another hard drive. The 12v power connector is used to power the RED DRIVE when it is connected to a computer using the USB 2.0 port, as the mini-B USB port does not provide enough power to run the RED DRIVE system.

The RED DRIVE is capable of recording between two and three hours of 4K REDCODE RAW footage. The uncertainty in the recording figure is based upon varying frame rates, possible changes to the footage data rate, formatted capacity of the drive and other unknown variables. To the user, what goes on inside of the RED DRIVE can be most easily explained as “magic pixies.” No matter how you look at it, storing two to three hours of 4K REDCODE RAW footage on a drive smaller than an ASC manual is downright unbelievable.

The reason that the RED DRIVE has the highest storage capacity and lowest price is that it uses spinning media instead of solid-state [flash] media. Spinning media has several pros and cons that one must consider prior to purchase.

Pros: High capacity, low cost.

Cons: Noise, instability.

Noise: Because the RED DRIVE has two spinning laptop drives in it, it will make noise while it is recording. The exact sound level is unknown, but it will not be dead silent. Chances are that its sound level will be comparable to the sound level of a film camera, but nobody can say for certain at this point. If you happen to be reading this on a laptop whose fans are not spinning, put your ear to the case and listen for the hard drive. Imagine twice that volume. Now imagine it in a presumably insulated case. Again, it won’t be that loud, but it will make noise.

Instability: Because the RED DRIVE is made up of spinning media, there are moving parts that could potentially skip or become damaged, resulting in cancelled recording or lost data. If you’ve ever owned a computer, you are aware of this risk. It is not something particular to the RED DRIVE, it is just an inherent risk with spinning media. For standard operation [handheld, Steadicam, dolly, etc.], the RED DRIVE should be resilient enough to record without “skipping.” That said, if you have any concerns about the stability or security of the drives, perhaps the solid-state options are more suited to you. Some have more faith in spinning media than others – the beauty of RED’s digital media options is that the decision is up to you.


RED RAM
64GB
$4,500
Solid-State Outboard Digital Media

The RED RAM is the highest-capacity solid-state [flash] digital media option available for the RED ONE. It has an identical form factor to the RED DRIVE, but is made up of solid-state media instead of spinning media. It is an outboard media format that can be mounted in the RED RAIL CRADLE on the camera body or RAIL system. It interfaces with the camera via the Drive Connector LEMO on the back of the RED ONE camera body.

The 64GB RED RAM is made up of two 2.5” 32GB solid-state laptop flash drives arranged in a hardware-based RAID 0. The drives are in a RAID for data transfer speeds – it cannot be reconfigured to record in a RAID 1 mirrored formatting. That said, as the RED RAM is made up of flash media, it has a higher potential maximum ingest data rate. While this does not mean anything at this time, it may open the door for different [read: higher quality or higher frame rate] format options in the future. As of this time, the same formats can be recorded to the RED RAM as any other digital media option – this is just a potential for the future.

The RED RAM has five ports on its underside: the Drive Connector LEMO, Firewire 800, Firewire 400, USB 2.0 [mini-B] and a 12v power connector. The Drive Connector LEMO is used to connect the RED RAM to the camera for recording purposes. The Firewire 800, Firewire 400 and USB 2.0 ports are used to connect the RED RAM to a computer for transferring footage from the RED RAM to another hard drive. The 12v power connector is used to power the RED RAM when it is connected to a computer using the USB 2.0 port, as the mini-B USB port does not provide enough power to run the RED RAM system.

The RED RAM is capable of recording roughly thirty to forty minutes of 4K REDCODE RAW footage. The uncertainty in the recording figure is based upon varying frame rates, possible changes to the footage data rate, formatted capacity of the drive and other unknown variables.

As the RED RAM is based on solid-state [flash] media instead of spinning media like the RED DRIVE, several key elements of the storage system are changed. The flash-based nature introduces several new pros and cons:

Pros: No moving parts, no noise.

Cons: Higher cost, lower storage.

With regards to cost and storage, flash media is simply more expensive than spinning media at this time. Accordingly, the RED RAM has a higher cost and lower storage capacity than the RED DRIVE.

No moving parts and no noise: Because flash media is solid-state, no moving parts are required to store data. This means that the RED RAM will be able to record footage silently. The lack of moving parts also means that the RED RAM does not have the same stability concerns as the RED DRIVE. No reasonable amount of shaking will stop the RED RAM from recording or from keeping the data safe. While it should still be treated like a fragile piece of equipment [it is…], the RED RAM is suited for more intense shoots involving vibrations or percussion that would potentially disrupt spinning media.

 

[Brook Willard]

RED CompactFlash read/write Module
Storage Varies
$500
Solid-State Onboard Digital Media Interface

Click here for a photo of an early prototype of this interface.

The RED CompactFlash [CF] read/write Module is one of the onboard storage options. The Module does not actually store data – instead it adds an interface into which CompactFlash media cards can be inserted.

In its prototype state, the RED CF Module has one slot allowing the use of one CF card. High-speed CF media must be used.

Storage times vary on the size of the CF card you put into the Module. This is the beauty of the onboard flash interfaces: you aren’t locked into some RED-specific media format. You simply buy the interface and use whatever media you want to use. As long as the media is fast enough to store your desired recording format, the media is fine to use with the RED ONE.

Because the CF media is solid-state [flash], it has the same benefits as the RED RAM: no moving parts and no noise.

Various specifics about the RED CF Module are not yet public. We do not know if the Module is user installable or if RED must perform the installation. We do not know if the module will have one or multiple slots [though prototypes have one]. Specifics will certainly be released as the Module nears completion.

In the end, the RED CF Module is a fantastic solution for those requiring a small, low profile, low cost, solid-state recording solution for their RED ONE. Whether it’s for a single shot or a whole day, the RED CF Module [or another onboard flash interface] will almost certainly find a way into nearly every RED owner’s kit.


RED ExpressCard/34 read/write Module
Storage Varies
$500
Solid-State Onboard Digital Media Interface

The RED ExpressCard/34 [EX34] read/write Module is one of the onboard storage options. The Module does not actually store data – instead it adds an interface into which ExpressCard/34 media cards can be inserted.

Storage times vary on the size of the EX34 card you put into the Module. This is the beauty of the onboard flash interfaces: you aren’t locked into some RED-specific media format. You simply buy the interface and use whatever media you want to use. As long as the media is fast enough to store your desired recording format, the media is fine to use with the RED ONE.

Because the EX34 media is solid-state [flash], it has the same benefits as the RED RAM: no moving parts and no noise.

Various specifics about the RED EX34 Module are not yet public. We do not know if the Module is user installable or if RED must perform the installation. We do not know if the module will have one or multiple. Specifics will certainly be released if the Module nears completion.

Lately, there have been some concerns regarding the viability of ExpressCard/34 as a flash storage format for the RED ONE. EX34 manufacturers have been falling behind on availability, storage size, data rates and price. There is a fair chance that the RED EX34 Module may not see the light of day – at least not for a while.


RED 1.8” SATA read/write Module
Storage Varies
$500
Solid-State Onboard Digital Media Interface

The RED 1.8” SATA read/write Module is the last of the initial onboard storage options. The Module does not actually store data – instead it adds an interface into which 1.8” SATA media drives can be inserted.

Storage times vary on the size of the 1.8” SATA drive you put into the Module. This is the beauty of the onboard flash interfaces: you aren’t locked into some RED-specific media format. You simply buy the interface and use whatever media you want to use. As long as the media is fast enough to store your desired recording format, the media is fine to use with the RED ONE.

Because the 1.8” SATA media is solid-state [flash], it has the same benefits as the RED RAM: no moving parts and no noise.

Various specifics about the RED 1.8” SATA Module are not yet public. We do not know if the Module is user installable or if RED must perform the installation.

RED may release RED branded or RED recommended 1.8” SATA flash drives to ensure that the media passes the minimum speed requirements or to ensure availability.

In the end, the RED 1.8” SATA Module is another solution for those requiring a small, low profile, low cost, solid-state recording solution for their RED ONE. The RED 1.8” SATA Module has the added benefit of longer storage times [as 1.8” SATA drives are physically larger, they can have larger storage] and potential lower $/GB costs. Whether it’s for a single shot or a whole day, the RED 1.8” SATA Module [or another onboard flash interface] will almost certainly find a way into nearly every RED owner’s kit.

 

[planet e]

that explains a few things, thank you, brook.

 

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

HI thanks for all off you guys helping me especially Brook Willard
How has done fuul research for me and i am know better.
i have small question here :
is it --RED FLASH (CF) Module $500 better or
--RED FLASH (SATA) Module better cause it has more storage options .
thanks