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Viewfinder or LCD? Can we choose?

IMGentertainment said:
True. But I do think that they will have some sort of focus assist built in to the cam. Even if it is just peaking once you get use to what a proper in focus picture looks like on the LCD it shouldn't be to hard... QUOTE]

Focus on a LCD is tough. Just ask anyone with a HVX. Some shots seeing accurate focus in an optical viewfinder can even be tough. I thought Red has always stated there would not be much of a focus assist?
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Finner said:
I thought Red has always stated there would not be much of a focus assist?
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Hi Finner,

No, it was stated (a few times over at dvxuser) that we would get something very nice to assist us with focus, but as to what it is...has NOT been revealed.

Hope this helps, another cool thing that will help us aquire the best images that we can.
 
Finner said:
Focus on a LCD is tough. Just ask anyone with a HVX. Some shots seeing accurate focus in an optical viewfinder can even be tough. I thought Red has always stated there would not be much of a focus assist?
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Hopefully RED will have some form of assist. As for focus on an LCD, I'm an HVX user and find the onboard LCD and viewfinder to be very poor for pulling accurate focus. And this was a big reason for my initial concern over the RED LCD if it's 720p, which that's probably about it. I know there are some 1080p LCDs showing up on the market at the 7" size or thereabouts, but that's not a whole lot better when considering 4K resolution.
 
from what has been posted the past 6 months about focus assist (in lcd/evf) = you will not be disappointed !!! ( translated = it will knock your socks off )
 
I agree pulling good focus on the HVX can at time be a pain in the ass. But then agin I have gotten use to it and now get it first try 90% of the time. There will be some kind of Focus Assist, and I think it will be a very good one.
 
I hope the EVF is not a $10,000 item, more like a $1-2,000 item? or less??
 
obin said:
I hope the EVF is not a $10,000 item, more like a $1-2,000 item? or less??
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I doubt it will be $10K. IIRC, Sony only charges $8,995 for the CineAlta EVF option. :D
 
I'll certainly be interested to see what options the guys at RED come up with.
 
If the EVF came out to half of the price of the camera, I'd build a snoot/hood for the LCD and just deal with it... ;) But let's be honest... we won't be screwed.
 
You guys are too funny...

1. We have stated that Graeme has a new focus assist invention.
2. The EVF won't be free. But it will be great and properly priced. Don't expect a $10K EVF for $200. But it certainly won't cost $10k. Give us a break before you price our system for us. You guys sleep tight. RED is awake.

Jim
 
Ha ha. Jim, I love your closing quotes.

Snuggling in now. *rustle rustle* Nite!

zzzzzz. . .
 
I would take an EVF over the LCD if given the option. But the EVF will most likely cost much more than the LCD. About how much the EVF should cost, well, that's very subjective. Just because RED is $17,500 doesn't mean we should base all accessories price on that. In my mind RED is giving us a huge cut. The camera will sure be worth way more than that if it delivers the promised specs. We don't even know if that will be the real price after the reservations are filled. RED would be a bargain even at $30,000. They may also choose a price strategy of selling the barebones system for cheaper and the more "superfluous" accessories for a higher margin of profit to make up for the cheap bodies. We don't know what will their pricing strategy be. But those asking for a $595 or $995 HD EVF are dreaming. Any descent broadcast SD viewfinder easily costs three times that. Let’s not take RED’s awesome price cut for granted and start demanding dirty cheap accessories. RED’s price is so unbelievably low that many still think it’s impossible to have such camera for such low price. If they decide they need to make a higher profit on the accessories, it’s only fair.
 
Well said, ZK2007.
The technical challenges of making even 720p or 1080p cameras work well necessitate expensive parts and (relatively) small production runs. This goes doubly for 4K and Red. I would not be surprised to see accessories priced at a higher fractional cost that the $17,500 body would otherwise dictate. But even then the whole system would be an incredible bargain, even to the "indie" filmmaker, who would otherwise suffer the up-front costs of shooting film or the technical limitations and back-end costs of shooting traditional HD.
Cheers,
Harry
 
I would settle for standard SD/HD EVF if it displayed somekind of contrast graph. (my shooting style requires a viewfinder and contrast is most often the best way of judging focus on poor EVF's) But that would be shooting at max 1080 with something like 4K I would demand something much better.

Of course I would like a HD display to refer to like any normal HD camera has following behind. But this all depends on shooting style, shooting environment(location etc) and of course subject. Portability and low crew numbers are my personal requirements.

That said if the LCD doesn't throw the balance off the camera too much and has decent enough shading from light then I'll work with it. The potential of RED leaves me happy to wait for a viewfinder solution but it will narrow down what I could initially shoot.
 
A good HD EVF is worth some bucks and I'm sure RED will develop a great one. I'm looking forward to all the news on RED in the coming months.
 
The EVF seems the way to go, if we could pick and choose... I mean, how many of us have a set of 35mm primes waiting for their RED to show up? A good onboard LCD is a relatively cheap rental to flesh out an early RED package.
 
Andrew Benz said:
Hi Finner,

No, it was stated (a few times over at dvxuser) that we would get something very nice to assist us with focus, but as to what it is has been revealed.

Hope this helps, another cool thing that will help us aquire the best images that we can.
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may software autofocus assist? with gridlines or something..

also.. is it possible to just use a panasonic viewfinder or sony.. something like...

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