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what does sony, panasonic say about red!!

pixelchef said:
I would bet that the day RED ONE is used on a "major" shoot, with its beautiful picture quality for all to see, Sony and Panny and Pana will have some explaining to do to the studio bean counters.
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exactly.. yah the price (for now) is aimed at us indi guys.. but the camera is no indi camera.. this camera doesnt just compete with xdcam-hd or the new panasonic hd p2 camera because its in the same price range.. this camera will blow those away.. as it will the d20 or f900 which would be listed above $100,000..
 
Think about this. Marker Karahadian, owner of Plus 8 Digital, puts in reservations for 5 Red cameras at the NAB 06 launch.

In October, he sells Plus8 to Panavision, just prior to the IBC screening of Red. :)

Hows that for timing?

Which also means Panavision, whether intentionally or not will take delivery of 5 Red cameras.
 
Marker will need to pay for the RED cameras then do what he wants with them after that (sell them) - RED reservations are not transferable.
 
Actually that brings up a good question.
It's not actually me buying my RED but my company, I did sign the reservation form, but I will not own it personally.

Will I still own my reservation if I quit my own company? Or would that be a transfer to myself :rolleyes:
 
For NZ$40k I can deck out a Red with all bells and whistles, very nearly maybe not all bells but most.

For NZ$52k I get a Sony XD Cam F530 (body only).
For NZ$40k I get a Sony XDhd F350 (body only).
For NZ$40k I get a Panasonic SDX900 (body only).
For NZ$40k I get a Panasonic HDX900 (body only).
For NZ$40k I get a Panasonic HPC2100 (body only), sometime later.
And others yet to come but unofficially announced. The only cam I have heard about that remotely challenges red on price point only is the 2/3" HPX500 (hvx 200 big brother). With a lens that should work out to around 40ish nzd - but I still haven't heard what size ccd's are going in there.

No comparison - but horses for courses as we all know.
Wait ! What's that I hear ?
Someone's shouting - "Corporate Fat !"
hmm, we'll see. interesting times ahead.

edit: I went a varicam seminar recently and it was very interesting. Panny are doing a great pr job here in NZ, really. Can't speak too highly of their endeavours.
Anyways, one of the Panny reps said to me, "If you've got any ideas of what features you might want in the new cams let us know or tell Taguchi san ( the presenter)."
I said to him, "umm, just head over to Red.com."
He just rolled his eyes ..... wrote me off a hopeless case.
 
Anders Holck said:
Actually that brings up a good question.
It's not actually me buying my RED but my company, I did sign the reservation form, but I will not own it personally.

Will I still own my reservation if I quit my own company? Or would that be a transfer to myself :rolleyes:
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my situation is just the opposite... I bought the reservation with my own cash... yet my company (even tho its just me..cinematographer) will be buying the camera. that has to be fair game
 
tonaci said:
Seeing that plus8 carries Viper and Varicam why wouldn't they take the REDs? Is panavision super tied with Sony to the point where they would not include RED in their HD camera lineup?
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Because you can't have the Genesis renting at $5000 per day and it's nearest 'soon to be available, subject to meeting specification' competitor renting at $500 per day.
 
Rocketeer said:
Because you can't have the Genesis renting at $5000 per day and it's nearest 'soon to be available, subject to meeting specification' competitor renting at $500 per day.
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I don't think this would be a major problem for them. They'd could stick PV mounts on their Reds and make a few other modifications, and rent them in the same price range as the Genesis. Their customers wouldn't even blink.
 
I wonder if Panavision would ever break their partnership with sony to make a "panavised" RED. For businesses to survive ..they all must go through adaptation. Waiting for SONY to make a 4k camera that will likely cost 100,000 + would not be a good move.
 
Chris Kenny said:
I don't think this would be a major problem for them. They'd could stick PV mounts on their Reds and make a few other modifications, and rent them in the same price range as the Genesis. Their customers wouldn't even blink.
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Certainly the PV mount would be an attractive addition to the Red. If Panavision did go that way it would go some way to giving the camera a production stamp of approval.

It would help us all in fact. "Yes it's the same camera as rented by Panavision except with a PL mount"

Really depends how much Panavision have invested in making the Genesis 'The' camera for digital cinema. Would they want to detract from their own house brand?
 
Not to hijack the thread, but it is more a matter of WHEN than IF, in regards to Panavision "Panavising" the Red camera. This could open up some very cool lens options for productions that wish to rent the "panavised" Red.
 
Alex Fostvedt said:
Not to hijack the thread, but it is more a matter of WHEN than IF, in regards to Panavision "Panavising" the Red camera. This could open up some very cool lens options for productions that wish to rent the "panavised" Red.
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Or simply a third party providing a PV lens mount for the Red and productions hiring Panavision glass.
 
500 a day for red sounds a little low.. (from a owner/renter view).. my package will be fully done up.. follow focus. matte box. filter set. efv..the works.. i dont think i would settle for 500.. not when im trying to pay this thing off and make money for myself.

also side note.. even if panavision just made a pv mount and attatched it.. how hard would it be for any guy with machine equipment to duplicate this mount. then basically anyone could have a panavised red and use their lenses

edit. sorry didnt see the post right above me...
 
zakaree said:
500 a day for red sounds a little low.. (from a owner/renter view).. my package will be fully done up.. follow focus. matte box. filter set. efv..the works.. i dont think i would settle for 500.. not when im trying to pay this thing off and make money for myself.
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$500/day sounds reasonable for the body. An entire package, obviously, is going to rent for a lot more.
 
I think they're in denial regarding RED. They don't believe it's really going to happen, when it does, then they'll start figuring out what to do about it.

Their attitude, in the words of Scarlett O'Hara: "I can't think about that right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow."
 
Chris Kenny said:
$500/day sounds reasonable for the body. An entire package, obviously, is going to rent for a lot more.
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I think it would be rare to rent just the body. A lot of the time a few acc. would go along with the body. Look at the daily rent on a HVX and that is a camera worth less then a third of a Red body. I would think $750 to $1,000 a day would not be anywhere out of range. That said a I would only charge rent for shooting days so with a 1 day commercial or music vid you still would need to let them have the camera for a prep day and a return day after the shoot so 1 days rental ties up the camera for 3 days. So situation like that I would probably base a rental as $1,000 for a one day shoot situation and fairly move that price down depending on the # of days rented.
 
Rocketeer said:
Or simply a third party providing a PV lens mount for the Red and productions hiring Panavision glass.
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Panavision Flange=56mm
PL Flange=52mm

Flange depth is fairly easy to change, adding 4mm. I believe the Panavision lensport is wider in diameter, thus you would have to fabricate an entire mount. Possible for sure. Guide pins would be an easy change. Could be cool to have the option to buy a third party BNCR mount for the RED. I wonder if Panavision would rent just lenses?
 
Alex Fostvedt said:
Panavision Flange=56mm
PL Flange=52mm

Flange depth is fairly easy to change, adding 4mm. I believe the Panavision lensport is wider in diameter, thus you would have to fabricate an entire mount. Possible for sure. Guide pins would be an easy change. Could be cool to have the option to buy a third party BNCR mount for the RED. I wonder if Panavision would rent just lenses?
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im pretty sure they would
 
imho... the big elephants are too deep w/ layers & layers of suits to concern themselves currently w/ such a single minded shark as red.

the big co's are silos of diff. divisions which fight amongst each other under the ol' brand umbrella.

sure some of the product guys @ those co's are watching & may simply try & buy red... or copy...
 
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