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..Game Changer...Take 2...Relentless...$1800 very small camera stabilizer...

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$1800...Copter People have said you should be able to DIY it for $300-$500

 
Hummm... Interesting
 
Wonder what the max weight will be...
 
This is an area that is moving quickly due in part to the guys who are flying (which I hope to be). It's essentially the gimbal without the multicopter. It's an area still in development and has not yet settled down so a lot of people are "saying" things. I'm not disputing the OP, only reporting that things aren't fully known. One thing does seem certain from what I hear, and that's that a gimbal that size will indeed be less than $1800.
 
The top link is only a 2 axis gimble...the MoVi is a 3 axis so you get pan stabilization as well.

We just used that gimble on a production flying an NEX. The brushless motors really are a giant leap forward for RC Heli/handheld stabilization...even with the 2 axis we dont have to use post-stabilization if we dont get unexpected pan vibration from wind. Pretty bad ass.

-dane
 
why is nobody, except Vincent, shows the footage shot handheld with those "game changers",
i wonder.
 
The brushless motors are key, all the rest of the technology has already been there. You can buy a 3 axis gyro controller for a gimbal cheap. If I had to predict, I can see another company coming out with a cheaper version of the Movi very soon.
 
Brett Harrison said:
This is one reason why the MoVi is so expensive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNISmpvJuYg

In a word: software.

Then there's the custom batteries, weight capacity, silent operation.

But I agree there will be cheaper alternatives right around the corner - from Freefly too.
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Personally I think it's expensive because they can. They have no competition so there is no real market value other than what they say.
 
I'll tell you why. The footage still looks shaky. You see, these rigs are light weight and only stabilize half of the axis that are unstable.
And the 3 that they do stabilize: yaw,pitch and roll, are the ones that are easy to do post image stabilize on as well.
Here is an example to illustrate the problem:
Hold the little 3 axis gadget and film a chair in a room. move it side to side a bit, and then up and down. Like when you walk. If you look at the video you see the problem. Shaky.
Furthermore the remaining 'loose' axis's , X and Y , are causing perspective changes of the chair against the BG and this can not be removed with commercial software stabilizers.
The REAL game changer will the the first one that releases a 5 axis stabilizer. Add X and Y translation and now you have smooth shots. ( Z is not as critical, can be omitted ).

Paramon Ivanovich said:
why is nobody, except Vincent, shows the footage shot handheld with those "game changers",
i wonder.
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Les Dittert said:
The REAL game changer will the the first one that releases a 5 axis stabilizer. Add X and Y translation and now you have smooth shots. ( Z is not as critical, can be omitted ).
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With thumb pan and tilt controls on both handles too.
 
So far all I see is bunch of lunatics with what appears an Alzheimer condition - this block actually runs in front of the lens (or moves the handle in front of the lens) half of the video.
i want to see more "normal" cinematic moves - such as the taxi shot in Vincent's short. These tech geeks need to sit down with proper experienced camera operators - ideally with steadicam experience - and start working on the SW...

I hope towards end of this year we should start seeing some decent units cable of operating Epic/Scarlet for around $5K tag...

P
 
Mark Pederson tweeted about the Defy Gimbal which now is being mentioned as a three axis gimbal capable of supporting the Epic.
 
Nice
 
Well, at least they aren't charging $15K like the guys at Freefly. They still need vertical stabilization and an ability to do "normalized" shots. IMO, a gimbal system like this makes more sense on a steadicam rig or on a helicopter, where they are usually found. I'm betting that at NAB 2014, every multicopter company that sells a gimbal system will also sell the gimbal kit alone with a hand-held option.

Yawn...
 
Jeff that MOVI looked so good on you... Hee hee,


Jeff Kilgroe said:
Well, at least they aren't charging $15K like the guys at Freefly. They still need vertical stabilization and an ability to do "normalized" shots. IMO, a gimbal system like this makes more sense on a steadicam rig or on a helicopter, where they are usually found. I'm betting that at NAB 2014, every multicopter company that sells a gimbal system will also sell the gimbal kit alone with a hand-held option.

Yawn...
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Well, let's see what happens - they're on a short schedule to July - so they might beat the Movi.

I think it'll come down to software... to sell this against the Movi they'll need some type of 'majestic mode' (single operator), and that's probably where a lot of teh focus is with the Movi at the moment.

But, if it can compete with the Movi, we might see some price drops on that system...

My feeling is these type of units will end up on the end of Easyrigs or Steadicam arms - I suppose time will tell if they're a fad or the net big thing.

Certainly going to keep an eye on the Defy Gimbal - any price ranges yet?
 
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