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Mac vs. Windows...

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It's an interesting duality when it comes to this subject.

In terms of aesthetic, design, and vision I do indeed love me some good Apple products. I agree OSX is extremely nice.

The reality of what transpired over the last few years in terms of my own personal post workflow and hardware choices, well none of that would be possible without Windows.


So that made the decision easy for me. It's going to be nearly impossible for me to do a full OS switch. My investment in software is too great to make any sort of significant switch. I don't even know if I've invested more on camera gear or software!


However, my reality is that the clients I do work for use everything and sometimes want everything, which means at a bare minimum I have to "understand" each OS, NLE, etc. to a certain degree. I had to cut on FCPX the other day and I don't own a Mac, but the tools are all trying to communicate the same message, they just all speak a slightly different language.

Interestingly enough through the years of painful growth and advancement all of the tools we need to do are creative work are much better than they have ever been and getting better all the time.


Cutting .R3Ds on my laptop in a hotel room still freaks me out.
 
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I am in Apple as long as they support the pro. The signals to date are not clear. I hope they clear this up and soon. I am theirs to lose.


Jim
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Amen.
 
Jarred Land said:
too late...

Panasonic showed a Windows 4K laptop/tablet at CES and The Google Android Tablet currently has the highest pixel resolution of any tablet, including the Retina Ipad.

Of Note Microsoft's own Surface Pro tablet has native 4K output from it's external hdmi port.
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Why wait for Apple? 6 months - 1 year is forever for some of us and
I expect they are only concerned about the profit margin of their 4K Apple TV with
their proprietary 4K iTunes store/game platform anyway, not content creators today (but of course, fully expecting a 4K Apple ecosystem by next spring... 12 months from now).

I think Red should openly promote the PC platform right now and dare I say "showcase" / certify
open workable solutions in a 3 tier approach (low, mid, high end),
with everything spec'd from monitor to GPU to motherboard, etc.

Most importantly- SHOW IT & BRAG- 4K Rocks... use Social Media and videos to their maximum potential...
Maybe a large bonfire of a few 1080p 70" sets going and an explosion or two, possibly using a 1080p cell phone or tablet as flint...

If a $169 GPU on a PC or $999 Windows Surface Pro with 4GB Ram at Best Buy can playback Red 4K on a $1199 Seiki 4K,
flaunt it - that's your key to adoption. At the high end, show a 3 monitor or 4 Monitor 4K setup on video driven by multiple NVidia Titans.
Let the Apple-only "or it doesn't exist" thinkers drool for now while you play hardball right now from barebone PC's...

Even a PC tech website showed an impressive lineup of cards to do 4K gaming right now, no need to wait for Sony PS4 or Xbox 720 . http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-High-End-GPUs-Benchmarked-4K-Resolutions
You have to hand it to them, they forged ahead and rocked it for a first attempt.

Everyone who usually trashes 4K doesn't even have a 4K monitor, so make it easily accessible to the masses and you'll win converts, especially if you do it having fun...
 
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You jump off and find a bad ass PC that kicks the Mac's ass... at least I did... try to catch up now Apple... it's called an Nvidia 7000 graphics card... it's bad ass, and you SHOULD be able to use it...
 
Windows supports 4K now. Jarred and I have 50" 4k Seiki monitors ($1200) on our desks at RSH.
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How do you like that monitor Jim... I'd love to know more about that. Thanks.
 
Jarred Land said:
Times have changed... thank god for the kids :)
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Tell me you've seen all the videos online of kids (sometimes our age) playing some PC games in 4K.

This is a good thing :)
 
Why are seasoned professionals waiting on a new computer from a company that removed the word computer from their name years ago?

Why are professionals waiting on a company that makes things simpler for kids starting from scratch, a company that hides functions and makes it harder to customise and fine turn to the individual?

Apple have their place. I just don't believe it's in the grown up mature professional market place.

We are professionals!
Who create amazing complex creative projects with years of experience in a industry that incredible custom and bespoke.
 
Phil Holland said:
Tell me you've seen all the videos online of kids (sometimes our age) playing some PC games in 4K.

This is a good thing :)
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yup.. love it.

Its good to know that the 12 year olds are the real decision makers :)

Most of us professionals have been screaming the 4K song at the top of our lungs for 7 years now.. Last year we finally saw a 4K projector released for just under 20k......

Make the kids a 4K video game , and 3 months later there are suddenly dozens of 4K panels hitting the market and you can buy a 4K 50" monitor off of eBay for $1200.....

heh heh heh.
 
Jarred Land said:
Make the kids a 4K video game , and 3 months later there are suddenly dozens of 4K panels hitting the market and you can buy a 4K 50" monitor off of eBay for $1200.....
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E3 is coming up in June :)


Joe Pontecorvo said:
Can I transcode to prores with a PC yet?
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There's a few ways to do it. Look at AnotherGui which is free. I hear whispers in the shadows that soon there will be even more support from some of the usual suspects.
 
If you do a diversity of things you will probably require both OSs. Windows 7 is very reliable given the right level of caution about installing programs and internet security. There are keyboard based interface apps like Launchy and autohotkey that make it a very clever OS for the pro user.

But aesthetically and ergonomically, it's the Mac all the way.

I love Linux the most because you can have it any way you can imagine. It doesn't have the finesse of the Mac desktop but it makes up for that in *customisability and Industrial-strength stability. For visual effects it's markedly swifter.
 
Do you guys think the new gaming counsels will support 4K? For a sec there I was scared it was gonna stay 2K...

I'd imagine by 2015 the 4K roots should be taking hard bite.

A reason Apple stooped early this decade was the recession and Intel spent $$ on new machines to press out 22nm chips which required longer calibration time than expected leading us to a smooth transition for Haswell which will drop in June.

Tbolt is built into Haswell, less power and better iGPU w/DirectX11

I'm pretty excited, finally a MBA thats worth a damn.

As for the Mac Pro it seems like it got pushed and pushed and pushed USB 3.0 SATA 6 PCIe 3.0 all big changes that Apple hasn't tackled on their Tower.

When will the next gen of NVIDIA cards be drop'n? would it be the 7xx series?
 
Mac since 1986 i was 5 years old. i currently own and manage more than 40 macs, and one PC that i have like hell, i hate every single aspect of windows and pc. I hate to need windows for things impossible to achieve using mac.
And i dont feel good using a stolen idea/product and support a company that started with betrayal and hurt such a genious like steve jobs.
I think that could be the reason and time that originated his cancer. His pain should have been endless.

Stick to mac cause i love and for respect. ProRes would be a tecnical reason.

Felipe
 
Jim and Jarred, I'm right there with you re: your perspective on Apple. Hardware and software alike...

Oh, and yes, I noticed this...

Jarred Land said:
We now have 6K at 120fps. and we are just going to go bigger and faster.
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Care to elaborate on the 120fps? 6KWS? :-)
 
Jarred Land said:
But it sounds like, and probably which is why people in the Apple camp havn't turned this thread sideways like they used to, is that most Mac professionals feel like they are now on their own. Too many posts here start with " I love mac, even though they keep letting me down. "
Whatever the case may be.. RED is not standing still and we aren't waiting for anyone to catch up. We now have 6K at 120fps. and we are just going to go bigger and faster.
We need as many horses as we can get. If the new mac tower is alot more than just an imac without the screen, then alot of people here including myself will be doing cartwheels.
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I'm not sure that Apple will be able to compete anyway. Innovation in technology is speeding up, there are things around the corner that might become "game-changers" several times a year and anyone interested in having the latest technology to keep up will be disappointed that they aren't able to if they keep trying to do so with Apple. As I mentioned I have a hard time finding a better pro laptop then the Macbook pro retina, so I choose that because it's a robust solid workhorse on the road, but the desktop I have cost half of what a Mac Pro does and it's twice as fast... what if I bought something at the same price as a Mac Pro?

When the new Mac Pro's gets released they will surely be top of the line and powerful... but jump ahead from that, for how long? As you said, you are getting bigger and faster and you are doing it in a pace much greater then Apple is keeping up with. I think I'm gonna keep my Macbook Pro and be desktop-PC for the time being, it's more economical and I have more freedom to keep up with technology.

I think that Apple's support for professionals is more in line of what you could do with Ipads and Macbooks. Many see Ipads as a non-professional toy, but it's used so much in the filmmaking industry as a handy tool for both production information and monitoring.
People make apps that connects to cameras and so on. If they can't keep up with technology I think they will win in terms of niched pro-applications, excluding the FCPX for now.
 
for now I remain in Middle-earth, hackintosh. Only 'cause have more pci-e. For now I ask no better.
I love OSX for its simplicity.
For now, many people are working on ProRes, are only linked to this.
I look forward to the new MacPro.
 
I have no idea if this concept would actually work, but ever since the G5 tower I've wished Apple would create something modular like this...
http://www.fcp.co/hardware-and-soft...k-like-peter-zigich-proposes-a-modular-design
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