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Is this the beginning of “affordable” 4k?

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Is this the beginning of “affordable” 4k?

A manufacturer I’ve never heard of says they are pricing a 50-inch 4k TV at $1,500…. And available THIS MONTH.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/15/seiki-offcially-prices-its-50-inch-4k-tv-at-1500-for-late-april/


Tigerdirect says they have them in stock NOW.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7674736&CatId=4717

(and someone on Engadget says “Costs only $1199 after coupon code TJM88351 in TigerDirect.”….. I don’t know if that coupon will work on not.)
 
Just get the infrastructure up to boot delivering 4K content to consumers and it'll be in every home in no time. Definitely alot faster from the analog-digital switch which was SD to HD.
 
Try telling that to everyone who has bought a 1080p (and/or 3D) set in the last 12-24 months and are still watching SD broadcast on it.

I can hear the sales people now; "4k no-name brand for $1200 OR 1080p Samsung for $1500... they're pretty much equal!"
 
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All I can say is that, the difference between Asians, as well as some countries in Europe, and the rest of Us (this part of the world), is that they seem not to care so much when is about to share and licensing their patents and lunch their products and innovations for fast and fair competition.

They all make good sales anyway. Thats why they are always ahead of us (hate to say it; but at least in electronic tech, they are), because we waste too much time on litigations, government approvals, and all that bull..

Every time we think we got something, they come up with something new (and smaller). We instead, we not only copy and use their stuff to make ours, but we monopolize everything, then we make a lot of noise, like we discovered the holy grail..

We should learn the lesson sometime.. I bet there are 50 more of these unknown companies somewhere in China or Japan making not only 4K Tvs, but anything!.. (hope is not nuclear weapons).
 
Red was a no name brand. Samsung was a no name brand. LG was a no name brand. Datsun was a no name brand though it was changed to Nissan. Build a better mouse trap for cheaper and people will play ball in a corn field.
 
Mike P. said:
Try telling that to everyone who has bought a 1080p (and/or 3D) set in the last 12-24 months and are still watching SD broadcast on it.
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True. That's the biggest hurdle right now.

Acquisition and Exhibition may be 4K, but the pipeline feeding it to the world is still lagging. Getting fibre to homes and having names like Apple, RED and Sony delivering 4K content will harmonize the entire ecosystem. Anyhow, it'll still be a shorter timeframe than the previous changeover.
 
Just because the set can technically display 4K doesn't mean the image looks good. There's plenty of crap HD monitors out there that do a very, very bad job of reproducing 1080, particularly in terms of dynamic range, black detail, contrast, color accuracy, gray scale performance, motion artifacts, detail artifacts, and other problems. 4K is just a number, not a measure of quality.

You can get a $399 no-name 1080P LCD monitor or a $35,000 calibrated Dolby 1080P monitor. Which do you think will look better?
 
Pablo Moreno said:
All I can say is that, the difference between Asians, as well as some countries in Europe, and the rest of Us (this part of the world), is that they seem not to care so much when is about to share and licensing their patents and lunch their products and innovations for fast and fair competition.

They all make good sales anyway. Thats why they are always ahead of us (hate to say it; but at least in electronic tech, they are), because we waste too much time on litigations, government approvals, and all that bull..

Every time we think we got something, they come up with something new (and smaller). We instead, we not only copy and use their stuff to make ours, but we monopolize everything, then we make a lot of noise, like we discovered the holy grail..

We should learn the lesson sometime.. I bet there are 50 more of these unknown companies somewhere in China or Japan making not only 4K Tvs, but anything!.. (hope is not nuclear weapons).
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The desire for greed is what holds it back. Businesses want to squeeze as much out of licensing patents as they can get, and they want your politicians to keep patenting expensive so small competition cent afford it. The politicians keep legal and litigation high that suites the lawyers. The lawyers also advise the politicians on legislation for their sector. Welcome to the first world where you work less per dollar to others expense.

On the other hand, as a little guy, if you took what they offered you to license your invention you might be lucky to get back what it cost you to invent, let alone the hundreds to tens of thousands of hours of free work it has taken you to get that far, so you gave to negotiate carefully, skillfully, patiently and hard with a velvet glove.

Up till recently the primary funding and developments have been in the first world and then taken and used in Asia. In know now China puts more money into research than anybody else, but I don't know what the results are. Certainly the Japanese have inventive people. It is probably still the case that much of the advancement travels from the first world out. I'll rewrite that again, probably more than the following four things affect this, a affective respect for the patent system, a respect for work ethic, a respect for intellectual effort, education and educational institutions. These respects create opportunity. In countries lacking some of these their are particular issues. A country can advance on work ethic and cheap labor buying in outside expertise, such as the Germans have been selling for me years.

Having said that, the design of the patent system is holding back advancement, benefit and the economy maybe up to ten times each.

I have been working out effective alternatives to the patent system for years that reduce its costs, fairness, speed and effectiveness.
 
mark haflich said:
Red was a no name brand. Samsung was a no name brand. LG was a no name brand. Datsun was a no name brand though it was changed to Nissan. Build a better mouse trap for cheaper and people will play ball in a corn field.
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Ahh, my old Datsun 1200 coupe ;)
 
I thought you might be posting about the upcoming $500-700 affordable 4k cameras based on the uhd Ambarella chip set. I expect Gopro to be an early one.

Michael Stone said:
Is this the beginning of “affordable” 4k?

A manufacturer I’ve never heard of says they are pricing a 50-inch 4k TV at $1,500…. And available THIS MONTH.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/15/seiki-offcially-prices-its-50-inch-4k-tv-at-1500-for-late-april/


Tigerdirect says they have them in stock NOW.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7674736&CatId=4717

(and someone on Engadget says “Costs only $1199 after coupon code TJM88351 in TigerDirect.”….. I don’t know if that coupon will work on not.)
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Pablo Moreno said:
All I can say is that, the difference between Asians, as well as some countries in Europe, and the rest of Us (this part of the world), is that they seem not to care so much when is about to share and licensing their patents and lunch their products and innovations for fast and fair competition.

They all make good sales anyway. Thats why they are always ahead of us (hate to say it; but at least in electronic tech, they are), because we waste too much time on litigations, government approvals, and all that bull..

Every time we think we got something, they come up with something new (and smaller). We instead, we not only copy and use their stuff to make ours, but we monopolize everything, then we make a lot of noise, like we discovered the holy grail..

We should learn the lesson sometime.. I bet there are 50 more of these unknown companies somewhere in China or Japan making not only 4K Tvs, but anything!.. (hope is not nuclear weapons).
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Only a complete idiot would "share" their patent. China has a poor record enforcing the value of iP, but they are seeing the light. Europe has exactly the same laws as US/Canada (pretty much). No offense, but your post is ludicrous from A to Z.
 
Marc Wielage said:
Just because the set can technically display 4K doesn't mean the image looks good. There's plenty of crap HD monitors out there that do a very, very bad job of reproducing 1080, particularly in terms of dynamic range, black detail, contrast, color accuracy, gray scale performance, motion artifacts, detail artifacts, and other problems. 4K is just a number, not a measure of quality.

You can get a $399 no-name 1080P LCD monitor or a $35,000 calibrated Dolby 1080P monitor. Which do you think will look better?
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Exactly.
 
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