Does cs6 run better on mac or pc?

[Jon MIchael Puntervold]

MY PC smokes all the macs in the office, I use DNXHD, works like a charm.

A 12 core MacPro is not a bad machine. Unless you go dual CPU with the new Xeons (that cost a _lot_ more), the current MacPro's are faster than all and everything single CPU.

This will quickly degenerate into a flame war, but ... if you want yesterday's technology today, go OS X.

I own both, and Windows runs runs circles around OS X.

The 3rd party tools are always better (which really influences the user experience).

Really, like the amazing Microsoft kernel? Their inferior font rendering? The stuttering, unlogical and inconsistent user experience? The buggy multi tasking? The innovative features (anything since the start button in 1994?). If anything are yesterdays technology it's the patched up legacy orientated windows system, my opinion, but most technologist would agree.

3rd party tools? Most 3rd party tools I use for Windows don't really respect Microsofts paradigms for UI layout, and it turns into a mess. A lot of free tools for Windows though, but the tools I pay a little for OSX are usually much more elegantly integrated with the OS.

 

[Kacey Baker]

Really, like the amazing Microsoft kernel? Their inferior font rendering? The stuttering, unlogical and inconsistent user experience? The buggy multi tasking?

What pc do you have? lol.

 

[PeterBach]

Here is an interesting article on how a cheap asus laptop blows the 4000$ Macbook Pro Retina out of the water. Concerning Premiere CS6 by amazing 450%!!!!!

http://www.slrlounge.com/apple-vs-asus-premiere-cs6-performance-speed-test

 

[Jean-Claude Benet]

do the new pcs need to run on windows 8? or is there an option to roll back to 7?

 

[Les C.]

Really, like the amazing Microsoft kernel? Their inferior font rendering? The stuttering, unlogical and inconsistent user experience? The buggy multi tasking? The innovative features (anything since the start button in 1994?). If anything are yesterdays technology it's the patched up legacy orientated windows system, my opinion, but most technologist would agree.

3rd party tools? Most 3rd party tools I use for Windows don't really respect Microsofts paradigms for UI layout, and it turns into a mess. A lot of free tools for Windows though, but the tools I pay a little for OSX are usually much more elegantly integrated with the OS.

Buggy multi-tasking? I guess that's why the NASDAQ was (and may still be) using Microsoft's SQL Server running on Windows of course.

As for fonts, I have zero issues. You'll need to document that a bit.

"legacy orientated windows system"? Just how old do you think UNIX is? I used UNIX back in the 70's and it's older than that.

I used the file manager tool as an example of a paid 3rd party app (as all of use use file managers a lot), with OS X's best (Path Finder) up against Window's best (Directory Opus). I own both and trust me, Path Finder isn't even in the same ball park.

If you enjoy using IOS (Apple is an IOS company, not a computer company, that's their future), then ... enjoy it.

Of course, in all fairness, Win8 - at least in it's initial release, seems heading down the Apple path to disfunctionality ... oh well.

Onwards .. thru the fog!!!

 

[Jon MIchael Puntervold]

What pc do you have? lol.

The six core i7 at 3.2 Ghz and 32 GB ram. Lol. Windows is okay if you are okay with shitty QA for the past two decades. Win7 is a decent system compared to Vista and XP, but it's still just a decent system trying to cope. OSX has been a fabulous system since it was realised.

 

[Jon MIchael Puntervold]

Here is an interesting article on how a cheap asus laptop blows the 4000$ Macbook Pro Retina out of the water. Concerning Premiere CS6 by amazing 450%!!!!!

http://www.slrlounge.com/apple-vs-asus-premiere-cs6-performance-speed-test

You realize that people buy retina macs, because they want Retina screens?

If anything, that link is a testimate to windows geeks not understanding what quality is outside of cheesy benchmarks... and by the way, Adobe should get their act together on OSX optimisations. If you've used FCX or encoded with QTX, you know what the platform is capable of...

Just an anecdote: I've had one ASUS, it had shitty build quality and they offered poor service when the charger broke. Never again.

BTW: In the test, it's slightly pathetic that both tests are really hardrive tests, and the ASUS has a raid-0 and the Mac does not... However, in a real world scenario, on board disks would be insufficient for video work. Enjoy you USB connection ASUS, while the Mac user speeds away with an extended PCIe bus through Thunderbolt; were a striped raid really can come to justice, even with a portable...

 

[Jon MIchael Puntervold]

As for fonts, I have zero issues. You'll need to document that a bit.

Just checked on my Windows 7 computer, it could still not render god damn standard fonts without pixelation. Mac's have done that for atleast 10 years; zero pixelation. The throughout lack of quality feel in the windows system is borderline impressive.

"legacy orientated windows system"? Just how old do you think UNIX is? I used UNIX back in the 70's and it's older than that.

It uses the UNIX syntax (windows should switch too) but OSX is not built as legacy system.

 

[Les C.]

Just checked on my Windows 7 computer, it could still not render god damn standard fonts without pixelation. Mac's have done that for atleast 10 years; zero pixelation. The throughout lack of quality feel in the windows system is borderline impressive.



It uses the UNIX syntax (windows should switch too) but OSX is not built as legacy system.

Not sure what you're talking about with 'pixelation'? I'm not a font expert, and Windows as so transparent that I really don't have to give them much thought, but you may be trying to 'render' (render means something very specific to me in the 3D world - I use Maya 3ds Max Lightwave, etc. - that may differ from your meaning here?) a font that is composed of pixels rather than one that is vector based? I generally use Adobe fonts, which I ?think? have separate components for screen representation and for printing - on Mac and PC?

As for 'not built as legacy system' ... I developed for the Mac, so I have a bit of understanding as it the 'innards'.

Mac was very, very late to the table with 64 bit (years), and had the legacy Carbon framework to deal with. Apple waited forever to transition many of their own apps to Cocoa.

And trust me, there are a lot of multi-tasking issues you run into due to the way OS X is designed that affect real-time programs like Logic Pro (the only 'Pro' app left that is still actually Professional instead of a toy - The only reason I turn on a Mac is generally for Logic).

I'll say one last thing. People (myself included) then to have a 'confirmation bias' which causes them to ignore information that does not agree with their preconceived ideas - and only see information that confirms their bias.

Always be willing to seek out information that is the opposite of what you believe, or you will stagnate intellectually and miss out on a lot in life.

That's why I ended up moving to Win7 - and up to the RED from 2K - and why I'd buy a Galaxy over an iPhone.

 

[Alexander Mejia]

You guys can argue over your tools, but I think your missing the point. I will always pick the tool that lets me go home at 5:00 to see my family.

 

[Jon MIchael Puntervold]

"Not sure what you're talking about with 'pixelation'?"

Windows renderes on screen fonts pixelated, probably a poor (or missing) anti-aliasing technique?

"Mac was very, very late to the table with 64 bit (years), and had the legacy Carbon framework to deal with."

Did you forget that they started migrating to 64 bit back in their power-pc time with the G5?

"And trust me, there are a lot of multi-tasking issues you run into due to the way OS X is designed that affect real-time programs like Logic Pro (the only 'Pro' app left that is still actually Professional instead of a toy - The only reason I turn on a Mac is generally for Logic)."

Ok, I have a lot of issues with multi-tasking on Windows, but not in OSX on my Mac, maybe the developers have a bad time, but they get it to work... On toys: Avid, Adobe's programs, Maya, Motion Builder, Lightwave, FCPX, Modo. Just toys? Or maybe you mean OSX exclusive apps? Like FCPX? It's not a toy, I've started testing it quite thoroughly and consider it for an upcoming project, FCP7 reminded me of Premiere and FCPX reminds me of Avid, which I find rather inspiring.

"Always be willing to seek out information that is the opposite of what you believe, or you will stagnate intellectually and miss out on a lot in life."

That is true, and the reason why I got trigged in this thread. There are a lot of Apple haters who need to prove to themselves that people who use Apple products are stupid (because they can't afford their products?), as it seems that they actually go about and believe that people pay Apple extra cash for inferior products. One or two or three example from the real world:

A colleague, programmer and researcher and friend of mine who have been pretty vocal about his rather cold hearted relationship to Apple just bought a Retina MacPro (his first Apple product), as he needed the latest generation CPU's and really wanted a high-res screen. And only Apple makes them on laptops. It took him a while to get over the fact that he wanted an Apple product, but he sure as hell were not going to run OSX... two months later, he still runs OSX, never installed anything else and has been severely impressed by how well integrated everything is. He's not seen anything similar he says. What converts an Apple hater to a coming fanboy? Not more than starting to use one of their products.

Another real world concept. Mac's are not overpriced! Build a similar system with similar components from a PC dealer, and you very seldomly find anything cheaper... This has been true for all my desktop Mac's. The first 27" iMac, same specs with a similar spec'ed external screen 30-40% more. A cheap server for running our booking system. Self built Linux server, Windows Server or OSX Server? The cheapest option; a MacMini with OSX Server. A self built Xeon workstation, Dell or MacPro? MacPro was the cheapest option.

"- and why I'd buy a Galaxy over an iPhone."

The Galaxy might be a good phone. But I really don't care if it's better than my iPhone, I don't care if they broke this or that patent, the only thing I care about is that Samsung deliberately and consistently been inflicting and copying Apple's trade dress and therefor been surfing on another companies innovations and image, and for that they are severely guilty. It does not help that Google made their Android system at the same time as their CEO was on Apple's board. I understand why Apple sues the hell out of them, and I hope they win in the end. Therefore I don't allow Samsung products to my home or workplace. But I consider dropping my iPhone for Nokia/WM8, it's innovative on their own terms and a really nice phone!

 

[Les C.]

@Jon - methinks you might be an Apple stock owner, who is a bit unhappy about the price drop?

I expect all the users on this forum can afford any computer they want and only want the best.

But if you prefer FCPX over FCP7, then ... possibly our views lack the convergence necessary to continue this conversation?

All in all, there are OS X users who are happy with their purchases - and there are Win7 user who are happy with theirs.

For apps, there are folks happy with CS6, there are folks happy with FCPX, all for different reasons.

The gentleman who started the thread will have to do some research into what's important to him.

Cheers!

BTW - you might look at the 'clear type text tuner' (search for it in windows 7 help). That might fix your pixelation problem for screen fonts.

 

[Dave Blackham]

Les C, you also need to consider the elegance and speed of operation on an Apple interface. Its obviously down to what your use to but there is no way we could ever work as efficiently with any Windows interface. There is a reason why Apple and Linux/unix systems lead in this industry.

 

[Les C.]

Les C, you also need to consider the elegance and speed of operation on an Apple interface. Its obviously down to what your use to but there is no way we could ever work as efficiently with any Windows interface. There is a reason why Apple and Linux/unix systems lead in this industry.

You are saying that CS6 runs more 'elegantly' on OS X than win7 - and the 'speed of an operation' (?? editing ??) is faster with OS X?

OK - that's your premise, now back it up with facts.

Why don't you make a video showing that with specifics? Compare running CS 6 on OS X and Win7.

 

[Jon MIchael Puntervold]

OK - that's your premise, now back it up with facts.

I work much, much faster on OSX.

I.e. scan a document on Windows, make a PDF, happened last time I used Windows at another office... Not possible. Download a PDF printer. Great, it works. But the document gets printed in a horizontal mode. Just rotate it. No, you can't. Because it does not matter when you print it on paper Microsoft says. Only problem is your printing it as an electronic document, so it does matter. After searching the web, you find out that the Microsoft print routine actually does not let you rotate documents. So either send your document rotated to your customer, or spend 30-40 min on the web trying to find a free tool that can do it for you. Of course Acrobat can, the commercial one, maybe you can register for a trial, but it's a several hundred megabyte download, and currently your connection is slow... Enjoy the Microsoft experience, even for mundane tasks!

On a Mac it would not have been a problem. The preview app even lets the iSight camera photograph a signature so you can sign your document electronically. OSX is elegant, smart and super efficient.

On concrete system speed, Resolve runs faster on Mac. The CS6 package runs very well. And Final Cut X is the most efficient and realtimish editing system I've used to date... Lightwave sucks on OSX, but I hope Newtek will improve it. Cheers!

 

[Dave Blackham]

You are saying that CS6 runs more 'elegantly' on OS X than win7 - and the 'speed of an operation' (?? editing ??) is faster with OS X?

OK - that's your premise, now back it up with facts.

Why don't you make a video showing that with specifics? Compare running CS 6 on OS X and Win7.

I was talking about the OS interface being much more intuitive, and that allows users to operate faster. Theres no doubt that Adobe do have some way to go in improving their own interface but so far I think they are moving in the right direction.

 

[Brandon J.F.]

I.e. scan a document on Windows, make a PDF, happened last time I used Windows at another office... Not possible. Download a PDF printer. Great, it works. But the document gets printed in a horizontal mode. Just rotate it. No, you can't. Because it does not matter when you print it on paper Microsoft says. Only problem is your printing it as an electronic document, so it does matter. After searching the web, you find out that the Microsoft print routine actually does not let you rotate documents. So either send your document rotated to your customer, or spend 30-40 min on the web trying to find a free tool that can do it for you. Of course Acrobat can, the commercial one, maybe you can register for a trial, but it's a several hundred megabyte download, and currently your connection is slow... Enjoy the Microsoft experience, even for mundane tasks!

For future reference: http://www.pdfill.com/pdf_tools_free.html

It's free, 11mb in size and no watermarks or anything.

There is no pdf functionality built into Windows. There are a lot of free apps though. Nitro PDF is another. Their app will let you sign your PDFs like Preview on Mac. It's also free. A number of apps do that.
http://www.nitroreader.com/

 

[Les C.]

Use Foxit http://www.foxitsoftware.com/ as the pdf reader. I would never, ever use Acrobat, always a vulnerability of the week with that software.

Listen, good luck fellas!!

If you enjoy OS X and the older video cards (yesterdays technology ... today), so be it.

If you believe it runs faster, contrary to other posts that document the opposite (I'm too lazy to search these for you), so be it.

If you want to deal with the security issues on OS X (yes, it's a mess and it's that bad), so be it (Apple tech support had orders not to tell these poor people who called they were infected, what kind of people treat other people like that??)

Each to their own, let's all get back to being creative.

 

[PeterBach]

A 12 core MacPro is not a bad machine. Unless you go dual CPU with the new Xeons (that cost a _lot_ more), the current MacPro's are faster than all and everything single CPU.

The 12 core Mac Pro is an overpriced joke, nothing more. The i7 3930k 6-core overclocked to 5 ghz easily smokes the dual xeons of the 12 core MacPro.


12 Core Mac Pro (2,66 ghz) = 4,999$ Cinebench Score 13,84 pts.

6 Core i7 3930k overclocked to 5 ghz = 569$ Cinebench Score 14,40 pts.


You need serious cooling for the i7 but it runs stable 24/7 for extreme rendering. The rest of the 4,999$ Mac Pro hardware is basically worth 200$, the ATI HD 5770 is a joke for a professional workstation, you can use it for Resolve to power the GUI.


To pay 4800$ for some slow outdated xeons is the wrong way.

If you want to go the xeon way and need 100% stability, the new xeons are 30% faster and of course cheaper than some 2010 hardware that Apple thinks is good enough for the pros.

 

[Jon MIchael Puntervold]

"If you enjoy OS X and the older video cards (yesterdays technology ... today), so be it."

I guess you are referring to Mac Pro? No problem using GTX 570 in them, although I use a GTX580.

"If you believe it runs faster, contrary to other posts that document the opposite (I'm too lazy to search these for you), so be it."

Some software runs faster on Windows, some software runs faster on OSX, as I've pointed out to you... this is not hard to document.

"If you want to deal with the security issues on OS X (yes, it's a mess and it's that bad)"

A mess? OSX does not have security issues worth mentioning. Especially compared to Windows. All in all OSX is a safe and robust system, how many use Windows without security software? I've never installed security software on OSX, and never had a problem. 12 months ago or so a virus was around and an update was sent out almost immediately by Apple. What does Microsoft do about the viruses affecting their platform? They tell people to install 3rd party security software that steals performance and introduce almost more problems than a virus or two... great. The Microsoft experience, again...