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Sony lenses

Peter Majtan said:
Just remember they will not cover FF. If You own RED - investing into lenses that do not cover FF-35 at this point is vaste of money IMHO
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IMO, I completely disagree.
 
So the problem with the MK1's still exist on the MK II's...unfortunate.

Maybe someone needs to make Sony PL mount ; )
 
I've made some new graphics for Dragon and I'm waiting to release them because I don't want to spread misinformation in case anything changes, but as it stands right now, what we know as 5K resolution today (5120x2700) covers S35 3-perf on the Dragon sensor. It's a smidge wider and a smidge shorter, but I don't think this will effect coverage on any S35 lenses. This is somewhat ideal for 4K delivery. RPPs, Standards, and newer S35 glass should all be more than okay at 5K.

6K is a different story. It's about 34.5mm diagonal for 6K Full, which is right in that nice sweet spot for FF35 lenses, but will certainly be too large for some S35 glass.


Ryan De Franco said:
Red will always make it possible to shoot on traditional Super 35mm lenses. Jarred was kind enough to point out the obvious: window down and any lens will work. If some 12K FF35 sensor comes out the pipe you'll be able to get your Super 35 just fine. Likely with higher frame rates / less compression.
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If Red scales Dragon to FF35 at some point it would currently land in the 7K range with it's current pixel density. I can see reasons for it, but I think 6K is a nice place to land at the moment for still and motion image quality.

4K is the future of broadcast and theatrical market (and gaming for that matter). The UHD standard of 8K will be a bit more niche for a bit. 8K displays in the home is a strange idea for me personally. 8K projectors for IMAX sized experiences and screens is not a strange idea however. 4K is going to penetrate though. Dragon is going to create gorgeous 4K deliverables.
 
Peter Majtan said:
Just remember they will not cover FF. If You own RED - investing into lenses that do not cover FF-35 at this point is vaste of money IMHO
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Oh my, to put it in a different way, any sensor for cinematography that covers beyond the S35 format, vastes pixels.
 
Jon MIchael Puntervold said:
Oh my, to put it in a different way, any sensor for cinematography that covers beyond the S35 format, vastes pixels.
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hahahahaha
Couldn't agree more.

Why is it that S35 all of a sudden isn't "working"?

Used to do just fine... :)

FF is another beast, and should IMHO be 4:3 to really be fun...

But that doesn't diminish the value of an angie 24-290....
 
20mm, 25mm... then boom, 135mm. What the hey?
 
It's not that lenses that are not full frame are currently useless. It's that, to look towards the future, and to choose to invest in glass that you plan to have for years, if not for the duration of your career, and to not consider acquiring glass that is full frame . . . well, it's short sighted. The future is barreling towards us. It's hard to imagine 8K in the living room, with 4K just now becoming available to the upper crust of home theater enthusiast; but it will happen.

Progress happens.

Resolution gets larger. Sensors get larger. Progress happens. Anyone that frequents these forums and disagrees with that clearly isn't paying attention.

So yes, to plan on investing in new glass that you will want to use for the duration of your career and isn't full frame capable? Short sighted.
 
Nick Pasquariello said:
It's not that lenses that are not full frame are currently useless. It's that, to look towards the future, and to choose to invest in glass that you plan to have for years, if not for the duration of your career, and to not consider acquiring glass that is full frame . . . well, it's short sighted.

Progress happens.

Resolution gets larger. Sensors get larger. Progress happens. Anyone that frequents these forums and disagrees with that clearly isn't paying attention.

So yes, to plan on investing in new glass that you will want to use for the duration of your career and isn't full frame capable? Short sighted.
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I don't know that this is really true. The new dragon sensor apparently will deliver 5 k's of data into a frame that will be suitably covered by the traditional 35mm lenses. That's also progress to keep a solution within the realm of the many fantastic lenses deigned for that size. Some lens makers are beginning to eek out a few more millimeters of coverage with the same design via internal optical adapters, but there are very few professional lenses designed for 35mm Full frame. So at least today if you wanted a set of "Cine" PL primes your stuck with Zeiss Cp.2's (the Canons are Eos only and few at that). Any camera maker designing a sensor larger then the traditional size is dancing into thin water, unless they offer up a windowed traditional 35 size option for capturing (as Red is doing). The "future" is sometimes tied to the past so we'll see if the big lens makers (Zeiss, Cooke, etc) jump on board and begin offering new sets of optics and designs for full frame. Right now all we have is Red offering a slightly larger sensor area. Many good reasons to not go there, unless its a leap like Panavision is apparently headed.
 
I don't think there needs to be a debate of Full Frame vs S35mm, as if one is "better". It's not. S35mm has been the standard for so long because IT WORKS. At 2.8 your focus puller actually has a fighting chance. At Full Frame at 2.8 on the same shot, the plane of focus will "look" two stops more shallow, and will be giving your AC's problems. Everything has it's benefits and trade offs. The ADVANTAGE of Full Frame is that shallow depth of field is more easily obtained (which can be good)...at the expense of focus. The next leap up to MEDIUM FORMAT gets EVEN MORE SHALLOW. It's a never ending trade-off between usable focus, and that cinematic melting of imagery that larger formats provide (and which The Master and The Dark Knight so well exploited).

The beauty of Dragon is that it allows us to be SELECTABLE. If you want S35, then BOOM...shoot 5K. If you want a wider FOV and a look that's closer to Full Frame (using stills glass, or stills derived lenses) then BOOM...shoot 6K.

Both formats are at your fingertips, without necessarily one being "better" than the other. These are creative options at our disposal. This, personally, is what I LOVE. The fact that we'll be able to switch back and forth (just like now...except Dragon will be even wider than what the Epic currently sees, and will take even more advantage of your stills lenses).
 
Mark K. said:
It's a set clearly designed to appeal to owners of the 1st-gen Sony PL primes. The 20mm, 25mm and 135mm round out the existing set that includes 35mm, 50mm and 85mm.
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Well that explains it. Thanks.
 
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