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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Bad news guys. Re: fps in build 4

Looking at this amazing firmware release and then talking about bad news, that's not right.
 
Luca Orlandi said:
in fact, no news for Scarlet.
Frame averaging is almost useless. Only 3k (24fps @ 2 frame) 2k (30fps @ 2 frame) can be used for motion projetcs. (for stills is a good option).
The same for speed ramp.

L.
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What about:
- Pre-Record
- Custom Overlays
- Timelapse
- Long Exposure
 
man some of you guys deserve coals in your stocking :P

this is a great build, nuff sed!
 
I don't know what is the problem, no one from RED said anything about 5k, different frame rates, different aspect ratios, etc. This was a nudge build to release with a lot new features. Be glad for what they said they were gonna release, (that happened) not what some people predicted to be release.
 
Trent Lillehaugen said:
What about:
- Pre-Record
- Custom Overlays
- Timelapse
- Long Exposure
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And, don't forget Power Save modes. That's a big deal.

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“… preparing to ‘whip’ the competition …”

Zeiss Lenses:

CY 21/2.8
ZF 28/2.0
CY 35-70/3.4
CY 50/1.4
ZF100/2.0

Nikon Lenses:
G 14-24/2.8
G 24-70/2.8
D 80-200/2.8

Tokina Lenses:

11-16/2.8
 
Trent,
I appreciate your work, especially the "Power safe mode".
But, many owners of Scarlet-X asking for something more than this.
For example, 2K @ high frame-rate and 4.5k @ 24 fps or better (as the old RED-ONE).


Pre-Record = useful, many times.
Custom Overlay = cosmetic
Timelapse = I still prefer to use one of my 5D Mk II or III. Honestly, I do not think I'll use it.
Long Exposure = how to use it in the real world (to work every day)?

Peace,
L.

Trent Lillehaugen said:
What about:
- Pre-Record
- Custom Overlays
- Timelapse
- Long Exposure
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Jeffery Anderson said:
Basically I think the only question, 'is the Scarlet capable of doing [blank]?'


All this other bickering and BS is lame.
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I'm sure it is. But RED is not the only company that cripples their cameras with firmware. ARRI charges 10k$ for high speed firmware update. Instead of charging for firmwares, RED has two camera models. I think it would be better to just have one camera and do what ARRI does and sell high speed firmware update for people who want those features. Though, the high speed is not "premium" feature anymore in 2-3 years so they must find another way to make two different price points. I would suggest leaving the Scarlet 5K S35 and update EPIC to 7K, 8K and so on... 5K is enough already for 99% of customers for the next 10 years.
 
Love the new build. Long exposure is a cool addition, but it doesn't really seem to work well even after calibration. I'm doing alot of testing on it to figure it out. Early testing results in grainy images and grabbing light from odd sources not even that noticeable. Creates a weird reflection/light ray/streaks with just about every image and lens I used.

Curious to see how this gets adjusted, or fixed. Not sure what it was. Thought it was maybe a reflection off the sensor or OLPF. No idea. Hoping it's a user error that I can solve at some point. But I think in the long run, unless the exposure gets longer the long exposure part of the Timelapse doesn't do much for me. I'd rather stick to DSLR's for that purpose.

With all things RED, I do expect this to evolve and just get better with time.

In regards to the added requests of your wanting more out of the firmware, I wished for more in terms of frame rates as well. But I understand they also never promised anything. The build is impressive and the only thing I can vaguely remember not being added that was maybe mentioned, that for some reason I can sort of remember was added resolutions perhaps? Not sure where that was but i'm pretty sure it was more just aspect ratios within the given resolutions you could already use at speed.
 
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Josh Snyder said:
I'm sure it is.
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Sure based on what? Your expertise in building cameras?

Josh Snyder said:
But RED is not the only company that cripples their cameras with firmware.
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You are stating as fact what is only your opinion.

Josh Snyder said:
ARRI charges 10k$ for high speed firmware update. Instead of charging for firmwares, RED has two camera models. I think it would be better to just have one camera and do what ARRI does and sell high speed firmware update for people who want those features. Though, the high speed is not "premium" feature anymore in 2-3 years so they must find another way to make two different price points. I would suggest leaving the Scarlet 5K S35 and update EPIC to 7K, 8K and so on... 5K is enough already for 99% of customers for the next 10 years.
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I mean this in only a constructive way: This stuff you seem to think you are an expert on is clearly way over your head. There are a lot of faux-experts on forums like this who in reality have little real-world knowledge about what they talk about. You don't want to be like them. It's a path to nowhere.
 
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Clearly Scarlet was crippled in frame-rates/sizes to protect the Epic - I think most of us can agree on that at least. Many were hoping, given the increased competition from other camera manufactures, that RED would ease off on those restrictions to help Scarlet compete against cameras like the F55. Is that really so wrong? It should NOT be construed as whining about the existing features in this build.
 
Thanks a lot. The pre record stuff kicks so much ass. Just had to try it even before redmote update and black shading. Waiting for the first blackshade to finnish before going trough the rest of the stuff is painfull :)

Edit: this was supposed to go in the new release thread... not in this complaint basket.
 
Brandon J.F. said:
Sure based on what? Your expertise in building cameras?



You are stating as fact what is only your opinion.



I mean this in only a constructive way: This stuff you seem to think you are an expert on is clearly way over your head. There are a lot of faux-experts on forums like this who in reality have little real-world knowledge about what they talk about. You don't want to be like them. It's a path to nowhere.
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Scarlet and EPIC have the same exact sensor. You do the math.
 
Dragon upgrade will bring you at least 4.5K due to smaller sensor's pixel size.
 
Mike P. said:
Balls... I didn't expect an increase in framerate, but I was kind of hoping for 4.5k/24fps...
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Not complaining, but I still think that would be great PR for Red, literally being always a step further than the competition with their whole line-up.

Anyway, can't wait to test Pre-Record, almost afraid of that ;) and reduced blackshading time is just awesome!
 
I think the only bad news is when you use the flip screen with menus and video upside down, but you have to select flip video which flips it the way you want but mirrors the image. Would of been perfect if the flip didn't mirror the image. But it will defiantly help for now.
 
DL Fitch said:
Clearly Scarlet was crippled in frame-rates/sizes to protect the Epic - I think most of us can agree on that at least. Many were hoping, given the increased competition from other camera manufactures, that RED would ease off on those restrictions to help Scarlet compete against cameras like the F55. Is that really so wrong? It should NOT be construed as whining about the existing features in this build.
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I think you don't know your facts or your history. According to the best facts we have, the Scarlet was NOT methodically crippled. It uses ASICs that couldn't meet the speed specs of the Epic (in effect, "rejects"). Thus, we get less performance out of the Scarlet boards. This is a financially viable way for RED to sell the Scarlet at a lower price. So, NO, we can't "agree on that."
 
Its a shame that the only thread about this great update on the scarlet section of the site (that I can see) was posted by an idiot... although I would love to see higher frame rates and definitely 4.5k, I still see this as a great upgrade for the camera with features the community has asked for, so at least we are being heard. On the subject of higher frame rates although I'm not an expert on how cameras internally work I believe there must be a little more power to come from the scarlet but I think a real possibility for us scarlet users is a short burst mode much like that found on Sony cameras which should appease scarlet and epic owners while still maintaing a distance from the Epic and Scarlet... but thats an entire thread in itself. Hats off to RED for this update working hard behind the scenes to make our lives easier, I think a few users on here have become a little spoilt.
 
A lot of folks are citing other cameras as models for the frame rates RED should be able to achieve with Scarlet. But let's remember that they don't shoot REDCode RAW. What are the data rates that these cameras are recording? Are they anywhere near the data rates that that RED deals with? I know that I would NOT want to get give up raw images to get those frame rates. If I was wiling to do that, I would buy one of those other cameras.
 
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