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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The Meizler Module... The Details.

Very cool.
This piece seems a be most for any serious rental.
-For the first time there is an easy access to the HD-SDI and all the other connections.
-with the second Red-Mon-Out we can us the viewer and the touchscreen (which in my opinion is easier than all the other tools)
-I had trouble with the D-Tab's on the batterie plate, so that the camera shut down (because the wcu took to much power)
-A very simple but very times saving tool will the 2. recorder be. As the Aaton i think it is a good way to keep things together. So if your Camera is running out of Batterie so will the recorder.
-Making Dailies for the Director without transcoding!!
-and the last point it is getting back-heavier. For handheld action def. also better.

Looking forward to have one of these working Meizler Modlules on set.

Your saying that the wireless will work with 3. party products. Will the Start/Stop also work? A very basic question but for crane shots...

Thanks
Christian Mathis
 
PaulClements said:
Is there any possibility in the future that the Meizler module will be able too record every frame rate from the camera? e.g. if we're filming at 200fps then it automatically creates an H.264, MXF or other file that is also 200fps?

Thanks
Paul
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Judging by the specs, and what Jarred has hinted, I get the feeling the answer is "No".
It will record at project frame rate. At some stage, it will record from playback for varispeed shots, matching the features of a Ki Pro mini or similar.
This will not be the Alexa-workflow killer that many hoped for, unless all you shoot is normal speed.
 
Martin Stevens said:
So when does the "Red- Sync" application come out.

I keep thinking I missed the news on this.

Perhaps it is not a stand-alone app, and only comes with the Red Sync Master......???

I partly think that the "Red-Sync" app is a software version of a Red-Mote.... is it?
I know it is a lot more than that.
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Ok, well.. RED SYNC is a companion app to the Meizler Module right now. I'd say you will be able to buy the app around end of 2012 (remember.. everything can change anytime). Still many features need to be integrated and polished (from the public version at IBC). I spoke with the lead dev. of this and they are working on it really hard. These are not simple things, it's actually really complex.

Sure It can be used as REDMOTE but you can change all the settings directly on the iPad display, control the in-cam playback mode.. But you also got the timecode slate, "looks" editing, wireless lens control and many many other things.. :)


-Marek
 
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Mark Pugh said:
Judging by the specs, and what Jarred has hinted, I get the feeling the answer is "No".
It will record at project frame rate. At some stage, it will record from playback for varispeed shots, matching the features of a Ki Pro mini or similar.
This will not be the Alexa-workflow killer that many hoped for, unless all you shoot is normal speed.
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Hey Mark, someone said, I they and I could be wrong, that there is a record on playback feature which means what you think it means. Record at 200 FPS RR, and then the Proxy would kick in and record the 'seen' version after. Telecine in-camera sorta... Again I could be totally off base.
 
Yes, Paul, Jarred said that would be coming, but, you're restricted to the time you have on set to playback. Editors want all the takes.
So you are still filling and backing up many gigs of R3D files, if you can't or don't want to play back on set to record proxies.
... so it's only a subsitute for a DNXHD or Prores camera, or a Red Rocket session, if very, very few varispeed shots are taken. Just saying....
 
Joseph Victorine said:
Indeed. Will proxy recording include a ProRes option? Avid MXF?
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At this point there is H.264 and DNxHD... You will definitely see another popular editing format in the production version.. you know... :smilewinkgrin:


-Marek
 
... So you are still filling and backing up many gigs of R3D files, if you can't or don't want to play back on set to record proxies.
... so it's only a subsitute for a DNXHD or Prores camera, or a Red Rocket session, if very, very few varispeed shots are taken. Just saying....
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Um, that's an interesting take :-)

... you can also play to proxy record at the end of the session if there is no time between takes to do that.
 
So Stuart is it a definite that is the case - ie no frame buttering to proxy recording. I seemed to be under the impression it would record all frame speeds to the proxy codec (I'm assuming a half debayer or something to 1080p?).

The fact you have a "Just R3D" / "R3D and Proxy" as well as "Proxy only" option when recording implies that doesn't it?

Be good to get that confirmed for those of us who've ordered module (s).

Cheers
 
Yes some more clarity on the proxies would be appreciated.

I can't speak for other but for me; Re-Recording takes on set is just not going to happen, I mean who's got the time? It's just asking for certain takes not to be recorded, lost etc The only way proxy recording would be truly useful is if the proxies are a true 'match' for the R3Ds. That means, clip length, timecode the works including off speed shots.

Jarred, can you jump in here and clarify?
 
Maybe it would be possible for the Epic to record a slowmo proxy at 60fps whilst the camera is idle (not recording). A small timer on screen could show how long until the proxy is ready. At 300fps it'd be 5 seconds of recording for every second instead of 12 seconds of recording. It'd then be a case of eking out any more from the module, maybe get it closer to 100fps. I don't think there are many shoots that would be held up if it could. There are natural breaks between setups and if it remembers where it was before record was hit it can just stack the shot and carry on.

Paul
 
2 questions;
-Will it be compatible with the Preston HU3 (G4) ?
-Will it read the cinetape interface (or is it implemented in that magical box already) ?
If anyone at RED can supply a list of manufacturers supported by this Meizler, it would help a lot of us make a decision to buy or not.
Cheers.
 
Adam Howden said:
Yes some more clarity on the proxies would be appreciated.

I can't speak for other but for me; Re-Recording takes on set is just not going to happen, I mean who's got the time? It's just asking for certain takes not to be recorded, lost etc The only way proxy recording would be truly useful is if the proxies are a true 'match' for the R3Ds. That means, clip length, timecode the works including off speed shots.

Jarred, can you jump in here and clarify?
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The proxies will match clip name, tiimecode and all other relevant metadata that the R3D file has. It would be a bit of a cluster-fuck if it didn't :)


Varispeed you need to playback and record (it will be a button when you are in varispeed ) to make a proxy file with the slow motion retimed to your playback speed selected... the proxy module cant take 120fps and process out a 24fps file all by itself.
 
Forgive my ignorance, but what happens if you shoot 48fps...and capture that at 60fps on the proxies? Would that distinct 48fps slow mo "look" come across on the 60fps proxies? Or do you always have to match the camera and proxy frame rates (ie24 to 24, 60 to 60)?

I know that for all varispeeds above 60fps you have to record back to the proxies, but I'm wondering how to best handle varispeeds between 24 and 60.

Thanks!
 
Mark Pugh said:
Yes, Paul, Jarred said that would be coming, but, you're restricted to the time you have on set to playback. Editors want all the takes.
So you are still filling and backing up many gigs of R3D files, if you can't or don't want to play back on set to record proxies.
... so it's only a subsitute for a DNXHD or Prores camera, or a Red Rocket session, if very, very few varispeed shots are taken. Just saying....
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What would make you happy? who says you have to record off-speed proxys right after the take, do it later off set. Throw them back on a card from drive an record. Simple.

I only say this because Epic and Alexa are two different cameras. There must be a reason you have multiple RED cams.
 
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