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DP Rouge Insane Wait Times...

Rick Darge

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I put an order for the Rouge lenses with Abel back in October 2011. They told me they would be here April 2012. Now they are saying September for the wide and January 2013 for the telephoto. Now they aren't sure about the tele. They predict 6-12 months from now or my order in October. Theyre that backordered! Craziness...
 
Forget it Rick- they are way overpriced. Tons of beautiful lenses in this FL range for under $2K
 
Bunch of 17-50s 2.8, 24-70, 50-150, 70-200, all 2.8. Nikon, Canon, Tokina, Sigma, Tamron, etc, etc..
 
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Yes but all the issues that come with using still lenses... Breathing, not holding focus, etc.
 
That's why they cost less than 10% of the price of the rouge and less than 5% of the optimo
 
OptiTek said:
That's why they cost less than 10% of the price of the rouge and less than 5% of the optimo
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Right, but if you need the features that those still lenses don't have, then their cost doesn't really matter.

Rick, that does seem like a long wait. I didn't realize the Rouge lenses were that far behind. Anything out there on the used market? Probably not a lot I'm sure but maybe you get lucky and snag one long before the new ones finally ship.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
Right, but if you need the features that those still lenses don't have, then their cost doesn't really matter.

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There is only one feature that these lenses do not provide. One. Everything else is FUD, poor maintenance and operator error.
You can't zoom while recording. That's it. Variable prime application only.
On the other hand:
1. Internal motors so no external motors or mechanical FF necessary. Or iris.
2.Encoder feedback for all three axis. Standard on all lenses and automatic. No programming, manual data input necessary.
3. Image stabilization (any cine lenses have it?)
4. 60-70% lighter and smaller than their cine counterparts.
5.And yes- 90% cheaper.
But no- you don't get the allure of cine brand name or PL lens bragging rights-I thought we were past that on this forum-I guess not...:001_cool:
Just kidding guys- I'm the last one to bring that up- I was raised on cine lenses work first at Panavision and then other PL based manufacturers and such...
But times-they are changing- optics are too...
 
Jacek, I'm a still lens believer (have your Nikon mount firmly planted on my Red One). But still lenses are not perfect for every situation. Trust me, if the Rouge lenses were $15,000 cheaper, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. Generally, I just like the mechanics and the quality usually associated with PL lenses. For my situation, I buy still lenses for my cameras, and rent PL glass. It's good to have choices. :-)
 
OptiTek said:
There is only one feature that these lenses do not provide. One. Everything else is FUD, poor maintenance and operator error.
You can't zoom while recording. That's it. Variable prime application only.
On the other hand:
1. Internal motors so no external motors or mechanical FF necessary. Or iris.
2.Encoder feedback for all three axis. Standard on all lenses and automatic. No programming, manual data input necessary.
3. Image stabilization (any cine lenses have it?)
4. 60-70% lighter and smaller than their cine counterparts.
5.And yes- 90% cheaper.
But no- you don't get the allure of cine brand name or PL lens bragging rights-I thought we were past that on this forum-I guess not...:001_cool:
Just kidding guys- I'm the last one to bring that up- I was raised on cine lenses work first at Panavision and then other PL based manufacturers and such...
But times-they are changing- optics are too...
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Good points combined with Toia's rants on Canon glass. When Fuji starts to deliver in quantity then Angie will have to get off their ass. Whoever is in charge of forecasting and production planning over there in Parie needs to take a permanent holiday. Who did not see this demand coming?

While we're misreading industry demand . . . how about someone develop and produce in quantity a mid-level priced set of Anamorphic glass? Why just jacked up Russian antiques at gouge prices? Does anyone else see this?
 
Josh Beadle said:
Good points combined with Toia's rants on Canon glass. When Fuji starts to deliver in quantity then Angie will have to get off their ass. Whoever is in charge of forecasting and production planning over there in Parie needs to take a permanent holiday. Who did not see this demand coming?

While we're misreading industry demand . . . how about someone develop and produce in quantity a mid-level priced set of Anamorphic glass? Why just jacked up Russian antiques at gouge prices? Does anyone else see this?
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First someone needs to produce square sensor or the anamorphic doesn't make sense. Using standard anamorphic on wide screen produces aspect ratio that won't fit any screen. Mild 1.3x anamorphic does not produce the effect desired.
IMO- no square or 4:3 sensor- no anamorphic
 
Actually don't understand a thing about it. You just simply can't order them if you need some. Have been trying to get some for 2 years now.
These waiting lines are just a complete joke actually. But at least that's anno 2012 quiet protecting the market against itself.
While camera prices are dropping, lenses remain their value, that's the positive side about it.;)
 
Have you guys checked the availability of the LEICA Summilux-C™ Primes? I spoke to my rep at Band Pro and he says if you order today, and did not get on the waiting list with a 10% deposit when they were first announced, the wait is 3 years.
 
steveharnell said:
Have you guys checked the availability of the LEICA Summilux-C™ Primes? I spoke to my rep at Band Pro and he says if you order today, and did not get on the waiting list with a 10% deposit when they were first announced, the wait is 3 years.
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I got three years as well....looked into the 5is and the wait was 18 months.....Dylan, do you know what the image circle size on the 5is.....was wondering myself and can't seem to find an answer...
 
OptiTek said:
There is only one feature that these lenses do not provide. One. Everything else is FUD, poor maintenance and operator error.
You can't zoom while recording. That's it. Variable prime application only.
On the other hand:
1. Internal motors so no external motors or mechanical FF necessary. Or iris.
2.Encoder feedback for all three axis. Standard on all lenses and automatic. No programming, manual data input necessary.
3. Image stabilization (any cine lenses have it?)
4. 60-70% lighter and smaller than their cine counterparts.
5.And yes- 90% cheaper.
But no- you don't get the allure of cine brand name or PL lens bragging rights-I thought we were past that on this forum-I guess not...:001_cool:
Just kidding guys- I'm the last one to bring that up- I was raised on cine lenses work first at Panavision and then other PL based manufacturers and such...
But times-they are changing- optics are too...
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Nice one JACK... :)
 
Rick Darge said:
I put an order for the Rouge lenses with Abel back in October 2011. They told me they would be here April 2012. Now they are saying September for the wide and January 2013 for the telephoto. Now they aren't sure about the tele. They predict 6-12 months from now or my order in October. Theyre that backordered! Craziness...
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I have way better luck purchasing second glass these days.. People over extend them selves with purchasing expensive glass all the time. Just drop WTB posts all through the camera forums. You will be surprised.
Ive got some amazing PL glass online and amazing prices. Waiting for a year and paying full wack is bullshit unless it's something unique... RED EPIC 'M's in the early days were just that.

PS... We bought a couple those RED 17 to 50 PL zooms and RED 50 to 150 PL zooms for fun.. We did not realize at all that they would end up becoming our main lenses for almost 80% of our bigger projects. We uses to use the small Rouge lenses... Havn't used it for 2 years now. Oh and the RED lenses are sharper. (by a fraction)
Food for thought.
 
Thanks Mark. Great insight. I really value your opinion on these boards and enjoy your enthusiastic posts about gear and how to get the most out of it. I own a prime set that I love already, just looking to expand with some zoom lenses. I've always like the optical look of the 18-50 but never the mechanics. I had a lot of issues in the early days. It looks like Red solved that issue with the 17-50 so it's for sure worth considering. I guess I'm looking at the Angenieux as a return on investment deal but at the end of the day, I'm a filmmaker, not a rental house. Do you have any work online that you're proud of with those Red lenses?
 
I got my 16-42mm in the spring of 2010 and was shipped to me in two days. The 30-80mm I got in the fall of 2010 and waited 3 days. For me it worked out great as I have been renting them non-stop due to the shortage. They have also been on 42 episodes of a series that I DP and direct on.

But I do have to say that during the first season of the series I used the original RED 18-50mm on the steadycam and it cut well with the Optimo zooms we had an A and B camera. I think the glass on the RED lenses is very good, but they do not rent very well. They are a great and inexpensive choice for owner/operators.
 
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