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Sneak Peak: New TV Logic EVF

I thought, cool, a nice EVF, but OMG I saw a picture of it, it's a friggin LCD for a smartphone with a housing strapped on!
They should be able to source a microdisplay by now. It's like every 2nd high end P&S cam has one inside these days.
I'll try a Sony HMZ-T1 for my 3d rig, if it starts selling here. That's *two* microdisplays for 3d. Under a grand.
-Les Dittert
 
It's basically like the annoying bulky flip-up loupefinder thing on the Sony EX3... no thanks.
 
So far what I saw the best TV Logic EVF is actually TVLogic VFM-056WP with a hood.

With that size 5.6" LCD you get resolution 1280x 800,

HDMI 480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p & VESA/IBM Modes,

SDI Input Signal Formats:

SMPTE-425M-A/B 1080p(60/59.94/50/30/29.97/25/24/23.98/30sF/29.97sF/25sF/24sF/23.98sF), 1080i (60/59.94/50)
SMPTE-274M 1080i (60/59.94/50) 1080p (30/29.97/25/24/24sF/23.98/23.98sF)
SMPTE-296M 720p (60/59.94/50)
SMPTE-260M 1035i (60/59.94)
SMPTE-125M 480i (59.94)
ITU-R BT.656 576i (50)

With HDMI loop-out, Waveform/Vector, Y Level, Range Error, and 3G input.

Weight : 0.28 kg / 0.617 lb

Nothing can beat this LCD/EVF with those features and image quality on the market.

Pretty impressive specs!!!
 
Trevor Meeks said:
It's basically like the annoying bulky flip-up loupefinder thing on the Sony EX3... no thanks.
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Sony EX3 uses a 640x360 display. This one is 960x640.

It is also highly unlikely that EX3 display has 500cd/㎡ brightness & 1000:1 contrast as stated for this one.
 
Anyone have any insight as to the physical dimensions of it? The rear looks a bit ugly with that EVF-035W, but nothing a company sticker wouldn't disguise!!!

I think a HD-SDI EVF that can attach to the Epic whilst using the touchscreen for menu control and not needing the upcoming IO module is a pretty neat solution actually. TVLogic has a good reputation for their monitors. Whilst it's not the perfect solution (I'd like to see a smaller screen and therefore a smaller form factor) I do think it's better than most of the other similar products due to the larger pixel ratio. I'd be interested to see a comparison of the Bomb and this to see if there is an improvement or loss of quality in the image. I can't help feel that a larger screen might improve the colour reproduction and lessen any horrid refresh rates and other issues the smaller screens are effected with.

Paul
 
I'll have one in my hands tomorrow...
 
Mitch Gross said:
I'll have one in my hands tomorrow...
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Look forward to hearing your impression compared to the Bomb and original Red EVF Mitch. If no one else appreciates it, I certainly will!
Paul
 
Tech specs aside, if you have a Z-finder and an iphone4/4s, try putting the Zfinder onto the phone's screen. I have, and it's pretty fricking phenomenal. It's a really great preview of what the resolution is going to be like. The Retina display is pretty much what this is underneath (identical size and resolution) and that's not a knock, it's a compliment.
 
A few comments.

First off, you should all be aware that this is not a TV Logic product. It is built by TV Logic, but it is done so under contract to Alphatron, a European company. The EVF will be sold and serviced through Alphatron's network of representatives. If you contact TV Logic or one of their representative companies they will refer you to Alphatron. AbelCine resells the products of both TV Logic and Alphatron.

The physical size of an electronic viewfinder is directly correlated to the size of the display panel within. If it is a large panel then the eyepiece needs to be long. One does not want a focal length of the optic in a viewfinder to be particularly wide angle as that can lead to distortion, chromatic abberation and shift in focus from center to edge. ENG and film camera viewfinders used right angle elbows to add length without appearing particularly large. The original RED EVF used a large housing. I have not taken apart a Bomb EVF, but I imagine the panel inside it is physically quite small in order to make the entire housing so petite. If you pull the eyepiece on the average prosumer camcorder, the display is shown to be quite small--sometimes only a 1/4" diagonal.

As noted, the display on the Alphatron EVF is the same size and resolution as an iPhone 4 Retina Dsplay. That's about the same physical size as the Sony EX-3 screen. For size comparison, with the eyepiece removed, the physical size of the display housing on the Alphatron is about the same size as the housing for the EX-3 panel with it's eyepiece removed. The eyepiece tube on the Sony is longer than the Alphatron, meaning that TV Logic and Alphatron were able to use a wider angle eyepiece without optical distortion.

I have been asked if the Alphatron will work with RED cameras. The unit will accpt standard HD signals over HD-SDI, so that should include the progressive signals output by RED cameras. The TV Logic on-camera LCD monitors all work fine with the RED cameras, so I do not forsee any difficulties here.
 
Jack Shanahan said:
i am strongly considering returning my bomb evf and buying this when it releases (plus anything else I want with the remaining $2k!) Why not? With all the Bomb EVF issues etc...

Any insight out there?
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hi ! what are the bomb evf issues ? what do i have to expect, i´ve one on order !!!
norbert
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
So far what I saw the best TV Logic EVF is actually TVLogic VFM-056WP with a hood.

With that size 5.6" LCD you get resolution 1280x 800,

HDMI 480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p & VESA/IBM Modes,

SDI Input Signal Formats:

SMPTE-425M-A/B 1080p(60/59.94/50/30/29.97/25/24/23.98/30sF/29.97sF/25sF/24sF/23.98sF), 1080i (60/59.94/50)
SMPTE-274M 1080i (60/59.94/50) 1080p (30/29.97/25/24/24sF/23.98/23.98sF)
SMPTE-296M 720p (60/59.94/50)
SMPTE-260M 1035i (60/59.94)
SMPTE-125M 480i (59.94)
ITU-R BT.656 576i (50)

With HDMI loop-out, Waveform/Vector, Y Level, Range Error, and 3G input.

Weight : 0.28 kg / 0.617 lb

Nothing can beat this LCD/EVF with those features and image quality on the market.

Pretty impressive specs!!!
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am i right when i say the specs are more or less equal to the smallhd dp-6 ?
norbert
 
There are several 1/4"x20 threads on the housing. Certain bits have not been finalized so there is no official word yet on power consumption, but I don't expect it would be that high.

I posted some images yesterday on my Twitter feed, @Mitch_Gross. They are of the prototype without final anodizing. Some bits are going to hange (that's why prototypes are made), but the essentials are all there.
 
Do we know street price?
 
Bob Gundu said:
Around $1300 list.
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Hence why I used the word 'street' in front of price. I wonder what Abelcine is selling it for? if that's MSRP, maybe we'd see it around $1099?
 
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