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iPad as a monitor

Which model of teradeck cube is recommended for EPIC and Ipad...
Thanks
 
Harcharan Singh said:
Which model of teradeck cube is recommended for EPIC and Ipad...
Thanks
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I believe it would all depend on your setup. All of Teradek's cubes support proxy recording on the Epic (with the purchase of a $500 license) For live monitoring on the iPad I would recommend the single band SDI Cube 120, but if you wanted to get into monitoring + proxy recording + playback and metadata via Liveplay, I would definitely recommend their dual band SDI Cube 150. From my experience all of the Cubes work best with a router. The router that myself along with the guys at Teradek have had the most success with so far has been the D link DIR-825.
 
Brian Rocafort said:
From my experience all of the Cubes work best with a router. The router that myself along with the guys at Teradek have had the most success with so far has been the D link DIR-825.
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Can the router work as a connection point between the two without an actual internet connection? Like if you're out in a corn field or something?
 
Jonathan Stevenson said:
Can the router work as a connection point between the two without an actual internet connection? Like if you're out in a corn field or something?
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Yup it is simply a connection point. All the router needs is power. The cube connects to your server (your Macintosh computer) Using Bonjour.
 
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Brian, do you know if it will work with a PC too? I'm not running Mac anymore...
 
Curt Pair said:
Brian, do you know if it will work with a PC too? I'm not running Mac anymore...
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I've successfully connected RED and Cube 120 to my girlfirend's crappy Dell laptop. Just needed to install Teracentral and it was no problem. Apparently proxy recording is also possible on a pc as well, but the whole file sharing set up on it seems much more confusing than it is on Mac. However, they constantly are improving set up tools on Teracentral. It may be easier now. But, as far as simply monitoring, it works on a PC no problem. Stupid easy setup.

Regarding the OP about ipad monitoring, in my experience, the ipad does have slightly more latency than compared to a macbook or decoder into a monitor. Though many times it got pretty close. To me, my problem with the ipad monitoring was with setup and consistency. Sometimes it catches the video signal easily, other times not so much. The worst is having to shut the camera down or changing the battery on encoder (if you're powering it that way) and needing to refresh the signal to the ipad. Sometimes, the video just wont refresh. I believe the weak link lies in OplayerHD. I say this because teracentral on the ipad always will refresh a current thumbnail image from the camera, but then i still cant get the video signal onto oplayerHD. I'll be happy if Teradek figures out a way to let Teracentral do everything without the need for oplayer. Maybe that'll never happen but everything seems to work great in Teracentral. To have it all on one app would make a world of a difference and probably be more reliable.

Despite my small problems with the ipad, the Teradek system overall works very well. Macbook and VLC is solid, and so is a Decoder on a production monitor (or consumer monitor even). Not being tethered made a huge difference in set up speed. Sadly, I do have mine listed in marketplace cause I can't afford to keep it... or maybe it wont sell. Whatever. Is this a plug for my listing? Yeah it is. Great product.
 
Mike Hechanova said:
I've successfully connected RED and Cube 120 to my girlfirend's crappy Dell laptop. Just needed to install Teracentral and it was no problem. Apparently proxy recording is also possible on a pc as well, but the whole file sharing set up on it seems much more confusing than it is on Mac. However, they constantly are improving set up tools on Teracentral. It may be easier now. But, as far as simply monitoring, it works on a PC no problem. Stupid easy setup.

Regarding the OP about ipad monitoring, in my experience, the ipad does have slightly more latency than compared to a macbook or decoder into a monitor. Though many times it got pretty close. To me, my problem with the ipad monitoring was with setup and consistency. Sometimes it catches the video signal easily, other times not so much. The worst is having to shut the camera down or changing the battery on encoder (if you're powering it that way) and needing to refresh the signal to the ipad. Sometimes, the video just wont refresh. I believe the weak link lies in OplayerHD. I say this because teracentral on the ipad always will refresh a current thumbnail image from the camera, but then i still cant get the video signal onto oplayerHD. I'll be happy if Teradek figures out a way to let Teracentral do everything without the need for oplayer. Maybe that'll never happen but everything seems to work great in Teracentral. To have it all on one app would make a world of a difference and probably be more reliable.

Despite my small problems with the ipad, the Teradek system overall works very well. Macbook and VLC is solid, and so is a Decoder on a production monitor (or consumer monitor even). Not being tethered made a huge difference in set up speed. Sadly, I do have mine listed in marketplace cause I can't afford to keep it... or maybe it wont sell. Whatever. Is this a plug for my listing? Yeah it is. Great product.
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Does your girl friend know that you call her notebook crappy :) just kidding of course.
Thanks for the feedback.
 
For our feature film we used the teradek sdi with the epic when the playback wasn't enabled. In my opinion for live viewing is not the right device but to have playback on computer and ipads is awesome.
 
Mike Hechanova said:
Regarding the OP about ipad monitoring, in my experience, the ipad does have slightly more latency than compared to a macbook or decoder into a monitor. Though many times it got pretty close. To me, my problem with the ipad monitoring was with setup and consistency.
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I've had similar experiences. iPads have greater difficulty processing the stream than do MacBook Pros. That's why audio is disabled on the secondary stream. For critical viewing I'd go with a MacBook Pro. Even then, extensive testing is required in different environments to optimize the Cube and VLC if one chooses the wireless option.
 
I agree Mike. Though I'd say once you know how to set it up, a macbook pro is pretty reliable.

Maybe it's just my MacBook, but I find the decoded image on a MacBook pro kinda low contrast, milky blacks kinda like the way people describe the bomb EVF. That's why I found decoder use on a monitor to be the best, fastest, most reliable image out of a Teradek. Though maybe you can tweak settings in VLC on a MacBook.
 
Mike Hechanova said:
I agree Mike. Though I'd say once you know how to set it up, a macbook pro is pretty reliable.
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Setup is simple. The tricky part is fine-tuning for different variables, which is better determined before shooting. The optimal settings for a slow dolly around a dinner scene will fall apart when you throw the camera on a crane and start whipping around fast moving talent. Different types of structures (or lack thereof) and signal barriers will affect results as well.
 
another question - maybe some one knows an easy solution:
we will be sending wireless hd-sdi via IDX Camwave to Sounddevices Pix, then via cable to an 17" Hd-Monitor and then the director would love to watch the live picture on his ipad (he says he doesn't care about latency ...) - know since we are not streaming directly from the camera and record the picture (and sound) to the sounddevices 240 anyway - do i really need an TERADEK CUBE to stream to an ipad?
Or is there another option with HD-SDI capture / MacBookPro and streaming from there?
best wishes and kind regards,
martin
 
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