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VFM-056WP VS. 5.0'' Touch

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I ordered a Touch Screen on Dec. 3rd when it said In Stock when in reality it was on BackOrder. I guess I'll make my final decision once we get the Dec. Back Order Update Thread but I've been giving much thought into ditching my Touch Screen for a TV Logic. Who knows when it'll ship and I've really had my eyes on the Side Grip for Functions Operation but jumped on the Touch since it stated it was in stock at the time. Little did I know... Now I feel like waiting for what I want (Side Grip) since both items are on Back Order.

The ability to have WaveForm, use this monitor with any camera system, HDMI-to-HD SDI ThroughPut just really turns me on not to mention the $100 price drop and it'll be in by end of the week.

I have a hard time spending $1600 for a monitor that's 480p. How can I monitor 5K images on a 480p screen? I've only used the Touch Screen once on a 3-Day Shoot and I wasn't very pleased with the image quality or design. Am I alone on this one?

I guess what I'm getting at is would you trade your Touch for a TV Logic if someone offered?
 
I'm felling the same way. The touch screen is nice for quickly changing the settings but the TV logic and Marshal have more options and a better look.

Makes me want to go into the shop, shoot a test, look at the output on a TV Logic, Marshal, 5" Touch, and color safe Sony 24" monitor to see what comes closest to the final R3D on the color safe....

and then buy accordingly.
 
Just realize, you won't be able to navigate menus on the TVLogic when plugged into the SDI (don't know about HDMI, never tried it), so you will still need to get a Bomb evf or old style Red LCD anyway. I really like the Bomb, best evf out there right now. LCD is more useful for odd rigs.
 
I'd rely on the Side Grip for Controls purposes maybe a RedMote.

I've seen a post about the TV Logic being a bit yellow and have noticed it on a pair of DP6 that I've worked with for over a year.

Still on the fence about this one. The Touch 5.0'' from what I can remember its pretty dead on color wise. Tests would be best and calibration investigation. I've always relied on Marshall monitors color wise but I hate the build/bulkiness/design/Value-to-features ratio.

Despite the whole "control" feature I feel like it's more valuable to be able to use a $1600 monitor on multiple camera platforms while saving $100. Got off an Alexa commercial this past weekend and since then it's been growing on me. (Really wish we could have used my Scarlet :/ ...... couple more weeks ;)
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Every time I use one or see it in action it seems like the way to go.


Waiting for a Hi-Res 7''-9'' Version isn't a bad idea either. 5'' seems like a stop gap measure. Sticking with a TV Logic and Bomb EVF until then seems fair to me. All depends on the BO Updates...
 
The Red 5" touchscreen is great for quickly getting into menus. It's also lightweight and powered from the camera itself. But it is very difficult to judge critical focus on it, especially if you're outdoors trying to deal with the glossy screen. I'm disappointed that it is such low resolution, especially when Red's original 5.6" LCD from 4 years ago is 720p. Not sure why they went that route.
 
Julio Quintana said:
The Red 5" touchscreen is great for quickly getting into menus. It's also lightweight and powered from the camera itself. But it is very difficult to judge critical focus on it, especially if you're outdoors trying to deal with the glossy screen. I'm disappointed that it is such low resolution, especially when Red's original 5.6" LCD from 4 years ago is 720p. Not sure why they went that route.
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I believe the old red 5.6" was 1024x600
 
as far as resolution, build quality, professional features and customization i'd say the TV Logic VFM 056 WP is the best choice on the market right now (for a universal 5.6 inch.) rugged & light, menu buttons & jog - logical & ergonomic, loop-thru - invaluable, etc. i'm powering it with a locking mini-XLR cable - like it better than the DC plug. it comes at a premium compared to others in that category (so do all its accessories) but its all justified.

the ONE thing you have to understand and accept is that you will NOT have the touch screen control. think about that for a second. what is your shooting style - studio vs. bare minimum stripped down? how often will you go handheld (think TED's demo rig) - brain+mount+lens+ssd module w/media+side handle w/redvolt ... now what? if you are going to use the EVF for the DP but also need onboard monitoring then the TV Logic will let you do that + loop-thru the signal to video village. as of now, you cannot do that with the EVF + RED LCD. another thing to consider is the fact that you can use the RED LCD w/ red only vs. you can use the TV Logic on any camera. or anything that gives you a video signal..

ps. and on that note i have a funny story. last week some friends come over to the studio to play some mortal kombat on the big screen. they brought a PS3 and an hdmi-hdmi cable. what they didn't know was that if we connected PS3-to-Projector we'd have no sound as we'd also need to feed the AMP somehow. so after a bit of brainstorming i came up with... PS3-to-VFM065 (via hdmi) - loop thru to - aja hdp miniconverter (via SDI) - feed DVI to projector and stereo RCA to amp. so, the tv logic saved the day and we ended up playing thru night which was awesome! so the moral of the story is... the vfm is a really good investment as a monitor... but you can always use it as a 1500 dollar splitter for your 300 dollar gaming console :)
 
Satsuki Murashige said:
Just realize, you won't be able to navigate menus on the TVLogic when plugged into the SDI (don't know about HDMI, never tried it), so you will still need to get a Bomb evf or old style Red LCD anyway. I really like the Bomb, best evf out there right now. LCD is more useful for odd rigs.
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That's not accurate (unless I don't understand you.) You can display full menus over HD-SDI and navigate them if you have a side handle or REDMote to use as a controller.

Here's a note for people. If you are displaying the menu, you aren't using the monitor's (touch or an HD-SDI) full resolution. Having the menus enabled really shrinks the viewable image and the scaling makes it much harder to see focus. However, in Build 2 of the firmware, you can set one of the LCD user keys to take you in and out of menus to full screen only mode (like the old 5.6" and 7" monitors would do.) This makes a HUGE difference in being able to see focus.

BTW, the TV logic 5.6" is actually about $500 less than the RED 5" if you buy it at some place like filmtools (I would know because I just bought one friday that's currently shipping to me for use on my Epic. )
 
Nick dude GREAT story! Gotta get your PS3 Gaming in! I love it....haha

Noah I'll take 1024x600 over 480 any day. Last monitor I owned was the V-LCD50-HDI for 5D work and it was tricky to operate and pull focus, there was a learning curve for sure. I remember thinking on a couple fast paced shoots "I sure hope it's in focus". The shots came out sharp but I'd rather worry about other things than how shitty the resolution is on my screen. With 800 you don't feel that way no need to double check (rack forward and back which can ruin a moment/shot).

I just hope they can get those Rubber Grips for the Side Grip! I'm salivating for a Side Grip :drool5:

My Zacuto EVF is 480p which is fine due to it's size and Pixel Density. Anything above 4'' should be at least 720p...
 
I absolutely LOVE the TV Logic.
I own 2 of them and have NO complaints. it is light, sharp, full of features, and you can power it many ways!

It also does fantastically with the EPIC's 24P HD-SDI signal. I know many other monitors in the industry 'flicker' with the 24P signal.

I did a feature and went HDSDI loop-through to a TV Logic LVM 173 3G (which i also own) and had absolutely no issues. (The EPIC signal on a 17" Panny flickered).
 
Chiming in. I've seen plenty of DP6s and while the onboard battery is great (for tracking signal across spagetti on broadcast gigs), I feel the picture is very limited (low bit panel?). The TVLogic is, while still as limited as any small monitor, quite superior. The waveform and and vectorscope can come in real handy and the ergonomics are just so much better.
 
SmallHD and TVLogic source the same exact LCD panel for both the DP6 and the VFM056WP.
 
Jackson Yeung said:
SmallHD and TVLogic source the same exact LCD panel for both the DP6 and the VFM056WP.
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The housings are extremely similar too. I'd bet they're entirely OEMed from the same place.

I think the only difference is the software. So how much is one willing to pay for waveform is basically the only way to pick between them.
 
Lee Saxon said:
The housings are extremely similar too. I'd bet they're entirely OEMed from the same place.

I think the only difference is the software. So how much is one willing to pay for waveform is basically the only way to pick between them.
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They have somewhat similar dimensions, but clearly they both use different chassis and processing hardware etc. I would expect it is more accurate to say the only thing they have in common is the panel. I only used the DP6 on jobs twice but it seemed to have a a very different look out of the box compared to the tvlogic, and I remember not being that happy with the image quality and compared to the tvlogic (though it was quite a bit better than the dp1 which was horrible).

The various waveforms, vectorscope, and customizable false color and proper customizable peaking modes and built-in hdmi-sdi converter all seemed to be missing on the DP6 if I recall.
 
Noah Yuan-Vogel said:
They have somewhat similar dimensions, but clearly they both use different chassis and processing hardware etc. I would expect it is more accurate to say the only thing they have in common is the panel. I only used the DP6 on jobs twice but it seemed to have a a very different look out of the box compared to the tvlogic, and I remember not being that happy with the image quality and compared to the tvlogic (though it was quite a bit better than the dp1 which was horrible).

The various waveforms, vectorscope, and customizable false color and proper customizable peaking modes and built-in hdmi-sdi converter all seemed to be missing on the DP6 if I recall.
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Yes. From my experience, the DP6 'feels' sturdier than the TV Logic, but the TV Logic is much lighter (i often leave it on for steadicam purposes without hearing much from the operators).
The DP6 has its artificial sharpening cranked WAY up by default, while the colour temperature of the TV Logic seems a little on the warm side to be 6500K.
The TV Logic does a 720P HDMI to SDI conversion (AMAZING for DSLR Shooters). Also zebras, peaking, waveform/vector is a big plus
TV Logic does not do vertical image flip but DP6 does.
Mini 4P XLR on the TV Logic is cool, barrel jacks are not fun to deal with.
The 1/4 -20 mounting threads are not deep enough on both monitors.. scares me to see so much thread left on the Noga Arms...
I don't personally like the 'chocolate bar' batteries that SmallHD makes, they don't 'feel' like a cinema class solution, and often make the unit awkward and bulky.

Pros and Cons to both, but I went with (two) TV Logics. (I LOVE my VFM-056WP).
 
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