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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

EPICs are made for countries like INDIA

Jeremy Wiles said:
Mark, that's an achievement to film inside a train station in India! I've shot in India several times and was told you can face jail time by filming at a train station. We traveled from New Delhi to Varnasi, then to AP and Kerala. I shot in a few stations, but I was constantly looking over my shoulder. And there you are standing by what looks to be a policeman! Lol. Perhaps you had permission :)

Your footage looks great!
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Yes we had permissions... :)
The cops were working for us.. only problem was when the crowds got close, they would lay into them with sticks! We had to have a few words to them about the way the way they managed crowd control... They said if we did not be hard.. they will push you under the train.. !!!! Like I said. CRAZY place! Everyday is an adventure.
 
If Red start an Indian service center or a production factory in India,then Red will be rock,because every year Indians make more than 1000 films,that means every day more than 3 films releasing to the theater ,this all are commercial films with super stars and million doller projects +there have lot of indie films and regional language films also,that means all together more than 5000 thousand films every year for theater release + Ad films+TV shows,India is a huge market for films and entertainment ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_India

Then this is a regional language film industry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Andhra_Pradesh
there have lot of like this Kerala,Tamil,Kannada etc
 
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I can say on behalf of the Manufacturing Industry in India, that we will give Jim and his team a RED carpet welcome to open a RED Factory in India. Apart from lower manufacturing cost (even cheaper than China), the manufacturer can be much closer to the huge market. The import duty on camera equipment is phenomenal, so a factory here will really help the customers.

The market is waiting to explode.


SUNILPREM said:
If Red start an Indian service center or a production factory in India,then Red will be rock,because every year Indians make more than 1000 films,that means every day more than 3 films releasing to the theater ,this all are commercial films with super stars and million doller projects +there have lot of indie films and regional language films also,that means all together more than 5000 thousand films every year for theater release + Ad films+TV shows,India is a huge market for films and entertainment ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_India

Then this is a regional language film industry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Andhra_Pradesh
there have lot of like this Kerala,Tamil,Kannada etc
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Jeetu Chawla said:
A service center in Bombay :beatdeadhorse5:& you'll have 50% of RED's cameras sold to India :party:

Sure, i'm exaggerating but you know what i mean, Mark!
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I do mate, I do...

Lets hope Jim reads this thread... but odd's are that he won't. I think he's busy suing ARRI... or someone connected to it.

India/Asia might not be in his head lights at the moment. Maybe he does not want to get to big to fast... or need the money??? but lets hope he thinks about it.. for all your sakes.
 
Sabyasachi Patra said:
I can say on behalf of the Manufacturing Industry in India, that we will give Jim and his team a RED carpet welcome to open a RED Factory in India. Apart from lower manufacturing cost (even cheaper than China), the manufacturer can be much closer to the huge market. The import duty on camera equipment is phenomenal, so a factory here will really help the customers.

The market is waiting to explode.
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I'd be happy to spend 20% more for RED equipment if it were manufactured here in the good ole USA. ;)
 
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I'd be happy to spend 20% more for RED equipment if it were manufactured here in the good ole USA.
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Everyone loves his country....
 
I am definitely a novice filmmaker, but I had the privilege of living in India for 3 months last year and 1 this year. I only spent 1 month shooting, but I agree, India in itself is just amazing. I love it. I shot on dslr's so I can't even imagine the looks and chaos an Arri or Red would cause! This is my India experience. Working with mentally and physically disabled orphans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_j8kz9v9PM&feature=player_embedded
 
I am not sure guys if this current wave of cameras is going to make a big imprint in the Indian market. I have done a lot of Bollywood films and granted they are changing to become more considered single camera affairs but...

I have never been on an Indian job that was slowed down by camera department. What takes the time is the whims of the stars. If they want to hang out they hang out; if they want to shoot then boom. We have 4 or 5 435 35mm cameras turning over immediately. There is no messing around at all. If they want to bounce 3 locations in an hour they just send 2 cameras to location one, 2 to location 2 and two to location 3 and then leapfrog the whole day. Ive seen it happen. Its insane.

These films are not the risky ventures films are in the west. They make money with massive cinema audiences. The drive to save money on these films is different to the drive to save money on European or American films. They will continue to shoot on film because audiences currently prefer the look. The RED and Alexa really haven't made a dent over there. I have friends whose rental houses the REDs and Alexas are just sitting on the shelf.

There is a cycle of Baksheesh between producers, DI labs, film companies and development and telecine companies. That is going to take a long time to break. Its not going to be broken because there is a cheaper and better alternative. The only thing that will break it is a lack of availability of the actual stock.

And yes it is true. A large lamp generally comes out with the man responsible with it. If that lamp falls or is damaged that man has a lot to answere for so he might well hold onto the stand all day. I would consider it unkind to call him a human sandbag but it could appear as though he was.

Digital will eventually win in India but that is a big ship to turn around. Maybe up in Madras it will change far quicker but not the big Mumbai jobs.
 
EPIC is made for every country, every planet, every galaxy and every universum.
 
thomas-english said:
Oh, yeah if you were wondering why I wrote Arri 435 cameras if that was a typo. They ADR everything! Sound is so hard to control out there they just ADR it all.
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Yeah! I couldn't here myself think one day for the car horns!
ADR sucks! but... has to be done.
 
thomas-english said:
I am not sure guys if this current wave of cameras is going to make a big imprint in the Indian market. I have done a lot of Bollywood films and granted they are changing to become more considered single camera affairs but...

I have never been on an Indian job that was slowed down by camera department. What takes the time is the whims of the stars. If they want to hang out they hang out; if they want to shoot then boom. We have 4 or 5 435 35mm cameras turning over immediately. There is no messing around at all. If they want to bounce 3 locations in an hour they just send 2 cameras to location one, 2 to location 2 and two to location 3 and then leapfrog the whole day. Ive seen it happen. Its insane.

These films are not the risky ventures films are in the west. They make money with massive cinema audiences. The drive to save money on these films is different to the drive to save money on European or American films. They will continue to shoot on film because audiences currently prefer the look. The RED and Alexa really haven't made a dent over there. I have friends whose rental houses the REDs and Alexas are just sitting on the shelf.

There is a cycle of Baksheesh between producers, DI labs, film companies and development and telecine companies. That is going to take a long time to break. Its not going to be broken because there is a cheaper and better alternative. The only thing that will break it is a lack of availability of the actual stock.

And yes it is true. A large lamp generally comes out with the man responsible with it. If that lamp falls or is damaged that man has a lot to answere for so he might well hold onto the stand all day. I would consider it unkind to call him a human sandbag but it could appear as though he was.

Digital will eventually win in India but that is a big ship to turn around. Maybe up in Madras it will change far quicker but not the big Mumbai jobs.
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Yep, its a big ship alright... :)
but it will swing.... and swing quicker than you think. producers mathematical brains will make it swing.
 
Mark Toia said:
Yeah! I couldn't here myself think one day for the car horns!
ADR sucks! but... has to be done.
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In India ,all films they do Dubbing(ADR),I want tell a truth of that,you know the most of the actress are not using there own voice ,there have a specialized dubbing artist for that,they do exactly in time ,modulation,lip sinking, maintain the emotion ,good voice control,and good rendering also,if u watch that film you can't tell all this do in dubbing with different people,
Then shooting with 35mm film is normal in India,if shoot with 35mm film , take a good pollyster DTS print then project in a big 70mm theater with a nice projection set up that movie still rocking,still I love film
Thanks
 
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thomas-english said:
They will continue to shoot on film because audiences currently prefer the look. The RED and Alexa really haven't made a dent over there. I have friends whose rental houses the REDs and Alexas are just sitting on the shelf.
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Well, We're a RED camera rental house in Bombay & are always booked... in fact we need to hire additional cameras from other rental houses in Bombay to service our clients... So if your friend wants to put his cameras to better use, he can always contact us & we'd love to do business with him :)

Why keep cameras on the shelf when there is more work than we can imagine :)

Cheers ~
 
Well, We're a RED camera rental house in Bombay & are always booked... in fact we need to hire additional cameras from other rental houses in Bombay to service our clients... So if your friend wants to put his cameras to better use, he can always contact us & we'd love to do business with him :)

Why keep cameras on the shelf when there is more work than we can imagine :)

Cheers ~
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Jeetu Buddy,

Nice to see you here on this forum.

I'm glad to hear things are busy over there.

Please PM me offline?
 
Hey Jeetu,

I will pass on your details dude! And I'll like to drop by for a lassi when next through town.

You say with the Mathematical minds of the producers.. Well the question has to be asked if they personally make less money if they don't go film. I've heard all sorts of stories as to how the deals unfold.

For sure its an interesting field.
 
You're always welcomed, Thomas...

Uh, though i agree with your perspective... i also believe the move to digital is also due to sense of "empowerment" for the filmmaker... it's a long discussion... but to keep it short:
1) Filmmakers are no longer pressurized to complete principle photography at a 4:1 ratio (due to expensive stock)
2) Producers some how wanna "avoid" the entire lab process... many reasons, but none creative :)
3) DoP's trying to make a move up from TV to Films are more than glad to shoot digital

My 2 cents :)

Cheers ~
 
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