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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Final Cut Pro X Released

FCP X is incomplete.
Why?
Apple initiated a self imposed deadline for release.
They had to release what was working.

It seems pretty obvious that they are working on getting a lot of other features up and running.
I suspect that we will be getting incremental software updates as features become available.
Same procedure that RED uses to activate features in the cameras.

Calm down, please.
 
Randall Weatherington said:
Same procedure that RED uses to activate features in the cameras.

Calm down, please.
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At least Red lets everyone know what's going on, exceeds the specs of every competitor, and ships something Soderbergh can make a movie with on day one. Apple... not so much.
 
andrewhake said:
Don't think because you use/own an expensive camera that you are pro and everything else is not. You are not professional, you are just confused. Stop using an arbitrary word to describe something in one word that needs to be described in paragraphs. AND, stop freaking the fuck out.

So much misinformation and complete ignorance to the actual editing process, people seem to want an end to end workflow tool, and not an editing tool.
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Well this is the thing: FCP X is not an end to end workflow tool... but currently thanks to no XML / EDL / etc it also isn't an editing tool that can slot into anything else. Every other professional editing tool can slot into a workflow but FCP X currently can't. That's what sucks.

Terry VerHaar said:
I imagine I'll start R3Ds in RCX or Storm for a one-light and then output to ProRes for editing in FCPX. Most of my color grading and sound needs will probably be handled by FCP-X but maybe I'll experiment with seeing if ST Pro will still work, or maybe Logic.
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Terry, you are not bothered by the fact that - at present - you have to buy a $495 3rd party plugin (Automatic Duck) that costs more than FCP X itself to get the audio into Logic?

...and you are not even slightly worried that if your color grading needs are not handled by FCP-X, it's going to be a battle getting the color grade done professionally because you can't give them an EDL or XML file?

When you add in no multicam, etc, it just doesn't seem like something the majority of professional editors would want to base a day job involving many paying projects around at the moment - hence folks saying it's not a pro app.

Terry VerHaar said:
One thing people seem to be forgetting - if Apple had held back on release for another 3-6 months, in order to add the "missing" features, it would be another 3-6 months that we all wouldn't have to start getting up to speed on the interface. Think of it as a beta period in which you get to take part.
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Or Apple could also have just told everyone to start learning iMovie a few years back? But then everyone would have jumped ship. Instead Steve Jobs just told everyone it would be awesome.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Someone made fun of "getting paid to post to FaceBook" but the irony is, the demand for video for the web is growing rapidly and it is that kind of attitude that often causes people to miss market trends, and major opportunities. In the future, there may be a lot of money to be made making high quality video for "posting to FaceBook" etc.
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Of course the obvious problem here is it takes me a few mintues today to generate and post short videos to FB or YouTube.

But it takes me days of time navigating the complicated off-line/on-line/CC/Mastering process for feature films. That is where I want help. Couldn't care less about streamlining the few minutes I spend posting FB vids.

Agreed about we will see in 6 months, or so.

But I personally think we have just seen.
 
Seems like the early reviews are quite polarising...

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If anyone has seen futurama, this is about the time the proffessor would walk in and go "good news everybody"


http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/...e-unanswered-questions-about-final-cut-pro-x/

"Multicam will come in a future release, when Apple decide how best to implement it within the new application and architecture."

"As of Version 1 and today’s release there is no direct import capability for [Final Cut Pro 6/7] projects. My understanding is that there will be an Apple-provided utility for importing XML from older projects to Final Cut Pro X."

"the Apple folk made it abundantly clear that the ecosystem was very important to them, and that there will be a new, and much improved, replacement for the current XML workflow."



http://www.larryjordan.biz/app_bin/wordpress/archives/1505

"In the past, Apple used a 18 month, or so, cycle between updates. Now, Apple is telling me they are hoping to do an update once or twice a year."

Larry had early access but I don't know about Philip, but hey, its all uphill from here it looks like
 
Apple did several things right here. Unfortunately, they did far more things completely wrong.... or even not at all. I want my money back. Don't know what else to say. I know we waited a long time for this, but the guys at Apple need to go back to the proverbial drawing board. This sucks monkey nuts. I think they know it, too. Totally explains why the info leading up to the release was so lacking and demos were so restricted, even closed off. Questions not being answered, etc.. I was pretty sure it was going to suck. Unfortunately I had to spend my $300 just to see how bad.

Imran Farouk said:
but hey, its all uphill from here it looks like
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...Not much room to go down.
 
Maybe it's the gemini in me, but I see both sides. FCP-X needs a lot more work to be considered up to par even with it's owen FCP7 predecessor. But I also see that it has great potential and I do believe Apple will get it there eventually.

What I don't always understand, is the hypocritical-type thinking. Someone mentioned it above, but RED put out a $40,000 camera that didn't have audio and a myriad of other features working on Day 1. How is this different? RED hasn't exactly been open about a lot of things. I'm on the list for an Epic, they've had my $5,000 for over a year and I still don't know how much it's going to cost or when I'm going to get it.

People have to get used to this. Love it or hate it, it is the new way in the tech and software world. There was an article recently (I'll have to research) that the new way is to get apps and products to market IMMEDIATELY, not when they're completely done. Then, let the users help you cross the last 10%/finish line.

RED is and has done this very well. Apple MAY (not sure) be adopting this strategy with FCP-X. They may be listening, so I'm not saying don't gripe. But I do think it's possible they are monitoring the griping to see what to prioritize. (For instance, if they get no complaining about machine control...um, bye. They may not spend time on that. It's a tapeless world these days. Just one example...) So, I'm all for the "healthy" griping, but people need to realize that it's not a fully baked application...and probably isn't intended to be one. But you won't hear that from Apple...they can't market it like that, even if it's the truth. But ultimately, they'll hopefully listen and get it closer to where we want it to be. (Again, not that indifferent than the way RED likes to do it.)

Just my $.02.

Kevin
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
AI want my money back. Don't know what else to say. I know we waited a long time for this, but the guys at Apple need to go back to the proverbial drawing board. This sucks monkey nuts. I think they know it, too. Totally explains why the info leading up to the release was so lacking and demos were so restricted, even closed off. Questions not being answered, etc.. I was pretty sure it was going to suck. Unfortunately I had to spend my $300 just to see how bad.



...Not much room to go down.
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LOL. Awesome Jeff. I hadn't thought of it as "sucking monkey nuts", but now that you mention it...yeah, it does.
 
Except Red was very open and honest ab
out the state of their camera. Apple said FCPX was awesome. They presented at NAB and said they were focused on the professional market. You can't even monitor your footage in FCPX on a broadcast monitor. That's kind of important in a professional workflow.
 
Kevin Wild said:
Someone mentioned it above, but RED put out a $40,000 camera that didn't have audio and a myriad of other features working on Day 1. How is this different? RED hasn't exactly been open about a lot of things. I'm on the list for an Epic, they've had my $5,000 for over a year and I still don't know how much it's going to cost or when I'm going to get it.
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This FCPx cluster-f is not really comparable. Red has been as transparent as any company I've ever bought products from. Sure they have your money, and miss dates. But you do that with the foreknowledge of what AWESOMENESS is eventually gong to arrive, someday, on your doorstep by FedEx. With Apple's FCPX we have zero foreknowlege.


Also, although Red ships cameras with some features disabled, you can bloody well record sound with a second system and merge them in post. What FCPX is doing would be the equivalent of shipping Epix-X without any way to record footage.
 
The editing innovations they added to FCP X are amazing. The things they left out are not only crippling, but make the program damn near useless.

If they would have done FCPX base at $299, and then a pro add on that gives you EDL, OMF, XML and output to tape with timecode support it might have been useful.

The way it stands now it is DOA.
 
Max Kaiser said:
Paul - that's where Premiere fell apart for me - on a five minute project. For a 30 second ad it worked GREAT, but once I tried to start scrolling through stuff in a timeline of footage connected to the XSAN it would just crash and crash. Also, it didn't give me smooth playback as I scrolled, it was sort of herky-jerky - and this is on an 8-core with 16gb of RAM. Basically, it just sort of felt like a toy compared to the robustness I felt on FCP7. When I got back to FCP7, I was very happy. I had to transcode, but oh well.

Right now, FCPX feels like a very fast toy, too. Gonna be awhile before we're able to move to basically because of what I can tell about how it "force" organizes data. For a place that shares tons of data across multiple workstations I'm just not seeing how this will work.

One funny thing - I was able to just pass the app over to another computer and open it and start working...weird...

Max
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I'm not sure what you were doing wrong, but surely I have to tell you are very very wrong about PPro CS5. If you have any future problems with PPro CS5 with Red R3D's feel free to post in the Adobe Workflow forum, We could help you and I know for sure Adobe's Reduser experience experts or Even Deanan from Red will hand hold you through solutions for your problems. For Redusers I must tell you that CS5.5 is the best NLE for Red native or proxy editing in existence today. This is a bold claim, but I stand firmly by it. It is indeed faster and more stable than FCP 7 by a long stretch. Heck with a few clicks you can even make it behave exactly like FCP 7.

I have not used FCPX or seen it yet. But from the looks of things it has many nifty automated functions. Really cool. The Audio unit plugin support stomps PPro. But I must say without a dedicated source window, no mention of third party plugin support, no xml output or import, no .....
 
JustinC said:
A note to everybody saying that this is just version 1.0 and we need to give Apple time:

NO IT'S NOT VERSION 1.0! IT'S VERSION 8! DOH! And if a company with $60bn in the bank can't develop something fully before taking it to market then I'm a dutchman. This is their vision of the future. You buy a Mac use iMovie then migrate to FCP and share your videos. In 10 years time this will be true for all but a tiny part of the film industry. Editors will wear suits and go to work in faceless offices and report to a manager with no Producer to be seen and they certainly won't have 'Editor' in their job title. They will all have learnt FCP as an embryo and video will be just another tool used by them and fellow employees across companies all around the world in their normal working life. Video will be everywhere made by everyone. The RED forum is mostly full of those of us who want to be in that tiny, shrinking minority or being Pro's, making films that speak to people. And the truth is that the tools we use are largely irrelevant. 16mm, 35mm, 3k, 4k, 5k, tape to tape, non-linear, nobody cares about our wacky terminology when they buy into the story.
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Yeah, but does FCP X have all the cool iMovie transitions?
 
One of my largest problems with FCPX:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4722

No software should be like this. No one should ask you to dual boot the same OS for software to function, especially when many people who will be adopting FCPX will still need FC7 to function and finish their current/ongoing projects (including working with contract editors).

On top of that, I have to tell my production company (as Post Supervisor) not to buy Final Cut Pro X because it doesn't meet our needs. We are in the middle of a season of a television show and we can't give up all the functionality we have to switch to FCPX. Perhaps next year if they fix several glaring issues. Everything from import, editing (we use Final Cut Server), to export we have with FC7 and not FCPX. It's sort of sad really. They've lost 10+ licenses worth of sales. That's not a lot in the overall, but if others are feeling like that, it adds up.
 
"For the first time, two different versions of FCP can coexist on the same system. I’ve been running FCP 7 and FCP X on the same system for months." - Larry Jordan

That's because FCPX is utterly useless!!!!
 
Brad Webb said:
"For the first time, two different versions of FCP can coexist on the same system. I’ve been running FCP 7 and FCP X on the same system for months." - Larry Jordan

That's because FCPX is utterly useless!!!!
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But according to Apple, you shouldn't be running them coexistent. They say to make a new partition. See my above post.
 
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