Paris, France / Stolen Red Pro Prime

[Lewis-M Soucy]

Hehe, sorry guys, things got a lil' local here... We have our own swearin' I guess we need once in a while! :blush5:

 

[Olivier Madar]

Je compatis sincèrement. Ce scénario fait partie de mes cauchemars.

 

[Pierre Alt]

Sorry, je réponds en français. J'ai réfléchi suite à vos messages et pense que pour limiter les risques la procédure pourrait être la suivante :

A la réservation:
- Bon de commande signé avec cachet N° RCS - SIRET - N° de téléphone - fax
- vérifier l'identité de la boîte de prod et son N° RCS, adresse, gérant etc... sur www.societe.com (Le K bis n'est aucune preuve, n'importe qui peut l'obtenir au RCS)
et le signataire du bon de commande (cf carte d'identité)
- Prendre la précaution d'appeler la boîte de prod
- Acompte par virement bancaire (ex. 30% - les voleurs n'aiment pas payer...)
- Validation de la réservation uniquement à ce moment là
A l'enlèvement :
- Pendre photocopie de l'original de la carte d'identité du responsable de la location (gérant de la boîte ou chef op...)
- Pendre photocopie de l'original de la carte d'identité de celui qui effectue l'enlèvement
- chèque de caution (de l'un des 2, mais souvent celui qui fait l'enlèvement est le stagiaire le moins solvable...)
Voilà celà n'évite pas l'insolvabilité du locataire ou le vol réel chez le locataire...

 

[mrgroove@mac.com]

Ouch, désolé ... ça doit faire mal !
Le pire dans cette histoire c'est qu'ils ne savent pas forcement ce qu'ils volent. Et que ça risque de finir au fin fond d'une cave.
Petite apportée, ça fait quand même plaisir de voir que ça cause français, même si le contexte est délicat.
Je serais vigilant si j'entend parler de qq chose de louche.

Pour ce qui est des conditions pour laisser partir le matériel, c'est quand même délicat de prendre autant de précautions pour louer du matériel, même pour louer une voiture c'est plus facile, et ça peut être rédhibitoire.

 

[Bérenger Brillante]

Merci a tous pour les mails et autres messages reçu, même si ca fait pas super plaisir de voir que j'ai plus de messages sur Reduser, que sur un forum français... Ce qui montre que Red a su se créer une clientèle loyale!

Thanks everyone for all the kind words.

 

[Jean-Charles Wolfarth]

Merci a tous pour les mails et autres messages reçu, même si ca fait pas super plaisir de voir que j'ai plus de messages sur Reduser, que sur un forum français... Ce qui montre que Red a su se créer une clientèle loyale!

Thanks everyone for all the kind words.

Non, ça montre simplement ce que toutes les personnes ayant travaillé avec des intermittents français et des techniciens étrangers savent déjà... :hat:

 

[Bérenger Brillante]

Updated.

The thief is in custody. Going to the police on monday to update the file.

 

[Arnaud Paris]

Great news Bérenger, hope this will keep some other people from pulling these nasty moves on rental houses...

Any details you might want to share as how you were able to trace them back with PhotoCineRent? Could be of some value in case it happens to other people.

Thanks,

 

[Bérenger Brillante]

Actually, I don't know anything except he got busted. Matthieu Misiraca was talking to Albrecht from Photocinrent, and as he was stolen by the same guy a few weeks later, wa contacted each other at the time.

I assume the guy give fake paper to Photocinerent, but this time the real owner made a declaration soon enough to prevent the theft, moreover everyone was aware a guy like him may appear.

I'm eargerly waiting for my update with the police.

 

[Kristin Stewart]

Bérenger, I know it comes with a good intention of warning Red owners, but publishing a picture of someone suspected of a crime, is illegal here in France. I can't talk for the USA though. You may run into problems with this person. Sending the picture through your private network would be better, even so it should be done carefully.

 

[Curran Giddens]

Bérenger, I know it comes with a good intention of warning Red owners, but publishing a picture of someone suspected of a crime, is illegal here in France. I can't talk for the USA though. You may run into problems with this person. Sending the picture through your private network would be better, even so it should be done carefully.

Some random person can send me the photo of this scumbag. I will be happy to post it.

 

[Christian Munoz D]

Some random person can send me the photo of this scumbag. I will be happy to post it.

Curran, I do recommend not to do it. I s illegal here in the US as well in the majority of the occidental countries. I have a similar problem a decade ago. I got stolen equipment we identified the thief and we publish a picture on internet with a reward. A couple of months later and the theft made charges against me and I needed to go to court even there was several witnesses that testify he took the equipment......the history is longer, but this will give you a small picture of the issue publishing a picture and making charges on internet (or any public media) before a trial in court. Stupid but true.

 

[Curran Giddens]

crap. well, I just wanted to see what the guy looked like.

 

[Martin Weiss]

crap.

Actually, no. This is the very difference between a dictatorship and a democratic, civil society ensuring a fair trial. You are innocent until proven. And this is an universal, irrevocable right, and applies to former IMF chefs as well as stupid, thieving scumbags.

Yes, it may seem annoying and unfair, but much better than any alternative I can think of.

 

[Brad Webb]

Bérenger, I know it comes with a good intention of warning Red owners, but publishing a picture of someone suspected of a crime, is illegal here in France. I can't talk for the USA though. You may run into problems with this person. Sending the picture through your private network would be better, even so it should be done carefully.

This is illegal? Doesn't the news do this all the time? I though it was only underage people you couldn't post pictures of, and even then I thought it was more a guideline than a rule. I'm not a lawyer, and I'm usually wrong about everything.

 

[Kristin Stewart]

This is illegal? Doesn't the news do this all the time? I though it was only underage people you couldn't post pictures of, and even then I thought it was more a guideline than a rule. I'm not a lawyer, and I'm usually wrong about everything.

Yes Brad, in France it's illegal. The news aren't allowed to do it here. And I agree with Martin ;-)

Back to the subject : I still think that the best way of renting safely your Red is to come with your gear on the shooting whenever possible ;-) When things like that happen, it's really a disaster because it may discourage Red owners to rent out their gear to nice and honest fellows. This kind of clients exist too ;-)