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Product Request: Full-Frame 14mm T1.4 Lens

Tom Lowe

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I'm talking FF35! Jim, do you think it's possible? :w00t: :001_tt1: :ihih:

I'm supposed to be talking to Iain Neil this week, so you can be assured that I will be begging him to consider such a design!!
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Zeiss are about to release a 15mm Full Frame Compact Prime. T2.1. I know I have one on order!
 
That aint gonna cut it!!
 
Adam Eden said:
Zeiss are about to release a 15mm Full Frame Compact Prime. T2.1.
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Very interesting! (To those of us who aren't quite as hardcore as Tom.)
 
Call Leica and tell them to step up to the plate!!! ;)
 
AnthonyFlores said:
Call Leica and tell them to step up to the plate!!! ;)
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Well, like I mentioned, I am scheduled to speak with Iain Neil (who designed the new Leicas) next week, so I will definitely raise this issue. I see this lens as the biggest hole in the market, right now, and in the near future.
 
But the Leica Summilux-C lenses aren't full-frame, are they? Anyway, that series starts at 16mm so I can see a 14mm being on their "to do" list. Of course, on a FF35 sensor, 14mm is pretty wide-angle -- it would be similar in view to the classic 9.8mm Kinoptic that Kubrick used in some of his movies.
 
Tom Your enthusiasm is disarming....
The reason why this has not been done is very simple- it's incredibly difficult/expensive to design a fast, large format, super wide lens.
Haven't we been over this?.. I vaguely remember...
My bet is that the front element diameter would have to be at least 5 inches. Not very practical....
That's beside the cost that would have to be very high-and that in turn shrinks the market size rapidly.
OK just imagine RPP18mm is almost 6 lbs and 100+mm diameter. You are talking about a lens 25% wider- almost twice fast and covering twice the area. Simple calculation will give you triple the size. Need I say more?
 
David Mullen ASC said:
But the Leica Summilux-C lenses aren't full-frame, are they? Anyway, that series starts at 16mm so I can see a 14mm being on their "to do" list. Of course, on a FF35 sensor, 14mm is pretty wide-angle -- it would be similar in view to the classic 9.8mm Kinoptic that Kubrick used in some of his movies.
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Leicas are 4 perf full aperture not 8 perf vista vision...
 
Jacek, where there is a will, there is a way, my friend! I mean, people are willing to pay $30,000 for Master Primes and Leicas right now. The front element on the 12mm UP is huge, for example. In the cinema world, as you know, cost is not the only issue. There are people out there with bucks. Look at the Leica primes! $180,000 and they are backordered for more than a year!

To me, it does not matter at all what the size or the cost is -- just make it. People will come. Not to mention that if you made this FF35, it could be fitted with EF and Nikon mounts, and would sell like hotcakes to high-end stills shooters.

David, of course the Leicas are not FF35. The 18mm barely covers the Epic. That is why I see this huge, huge hole in the lens market right now. There are tens of thousands of 5D2 shooters out there needing fast, wide glass, and when Jim drops the FF35 Monstro Epic, this gap will be further amplified.

It takes a long time to design a new lens, so my hope is that Leica or Zeiss or Jim or someone will step up to the plate now and start designing this lens.
 
Not owning a FF35 camera at the moment, what's on the market in terms of still lenses, like by Canon and Nikon? Is the problem that they don't make any super wide-angle lenses that are fast?

Considering the size issues, I think you may have to live with a T/2.0 as possibly the fastest speed that these FF35 wide-angle lens manufacturers are going to aim for...
 
In wide angle land, if money is no object, have'nt Zeiss already stepped up to the plate? .... with the mother of them all ......

the 8R T 2.8 rectilinear.

1 covers Ansi super 35 114 degrees
2 extreme wide angle without fisheye/commonly associated distortion
3 color matched to MP's / UP's
4 front diameter 5.3 inches
5 relatively low C A
to speed this lens up to 1.4 ( and retain everything else) may be beyond Einstien

Brent
 
Yes, but I am not asking to speed to the 8R up to T1.4. I am asking to speed a 14mm up to 1.4.

I love the 8R. But it's not fast.
 
Get a Nikon 14-24 Tom (or the rehoused Ruby), not 1.4 only 2.8 but optically it's right there with the Leicas and MPs. It's by far the best full frame coverage wide angle lens ever designed. Just use an adapter for your Canons.
 
Evin Grant said:
Get a Nikon 14-24 Tom (or the rehoused Ruby), not 1.4 only 2.8 but optically it's right there with the Leicas and MPs. It's by far the best full frame coverage wide angle lens ever designed. Just use an adapter for your Canons.
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Evin, you don't have to sell me on the 14-24. I'm sold. But I see a big gap in the market with nothing fast and sharp at this focal length.

I'm talking about a lens in a league of its own... kinda like the 8R. 14mm T1.4 FF35.... the holy grail!!!
 
I think that Canon needs to release a set of K35 Mark IIs. The original set had an 18mm T/1.5 that covered full frame, correct? Just add a 14mm T/1.5 that covers FF35 and a few fast lenses longer than 85mm and you've got a brilliant set of vistavision super-speeds.
 
I would be incredibly happy if Canon stepped up to the plate. I just don't see it happening. It's too far outside what they consider to be normal. Too expensive, too large, and too heavy for them, I think.

Cine lens makers, though, seem more comfortable dealing with big, expensive, exotic glass.
 
Trouble is, there are more FF35 still cameras on the market than FF35 movie cameras, so the demand should be higher on the still market side for such a lens more than on the cine market side. And I guess the still market probably feels that they don't need such a wide lens to be T/1.4 because in still photography, you can always take a longer exposure in low light. On the cine market side, the only FF35 cameras are VistaVision cameras. Plus I guess FF35 lenses would be useful for the Phantom 65, and 65mm movie cameras, though those formats are actually larger than FF35 in size and normally use medium-format optics.

So until the Monstro sensor comes out for the Epic, what FF35 digital movie cameras are there to make lenses for, other than the Canon 5D?
 
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