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Scarlet fixed for journalism

Justin,

I have worked in most fields in the industry, and yes, journalism too. I would suggest as somebody above did, to consider it, but not set yourserlf to it just yet.

Here are some things to consider - most news is done at an amazingly fast turn around with minimal color correction. Is scarlet the right choice for this?

Weatherproofing. Can Scarlet stand up to taking a beating in the wind, rain, dust and snow without having to constantly worry? Now, realistically, you would want to take care of any camera you own - however in my experience, journalism has been a little tougher. On a film, video clip, or TV comemrcial set I, or my crew, always has time to prepare for any weather eventuation. This is not the case for Journalism though. If you need to shoot, you need to shoot.

Startup time. How does Scarlet compare to other cameras in the field?

Are you going to use your scarlet purely for journalism, or will you be using it for documentary and other disciplines as well? If you are intending to do more then scScarlet, again, may be worth considering.

Here is my 2 cents: I honestly think Scarlet will be an A-Class documentary camera, event camera, and corporate video camera. Even an A-class wedding video camera.

Journalism, I am 50-50 on this. It just depends.

Gather all info and make the best informed decision your possibly can for yourself.

Hope that helps.

Ivan
 
Ash Worth said:
Are any journalists using RED ONES in the field? That would be good to find out and indication of how easily it is to use RAW as a format for this type of work.
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Easy answer to this, "NO".

Red at a press conference is slight overkill. However, Scarlet is a different beast altogether. It is not exactly comparing apples and oranges. More oranges and tangerines.

Ivan
:)
 
Paul Hudson said:
I suppose if you outfit it right; with a nat sound mic and a mount that is quickly converted from the tripod to shoulder mount, an on board light and a mount for wireless it would be okay. The range of the zoom and the workflow could be a sticking point but it is all speculation at this point.
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I don't see work flow being an issue at all with Scarlet unless you are handing over the raw footage on original media straight out of the camera. If you are editing your footage drop it on the timeline, cut it in real time, render it out to whatever release formats you need to provide and done. Same as any other video camera. There is no need to do any transcoding or rendering until your project is completed.
 
Ivan- I would be planning to use it for documentary and other forms of storytelling. In fact if you told me I could go get paid to do anything I wanted, I would grab a RED and go move to the mountains to shoot ski docs. That would be a dream come true.

I am currently working on building a photography/video business on the side of my 9-5 as well. And if that takes off the way I want it to then that would be a huge use. Right now we're working on wedding photography and shooting small commercials for local businesses. I have no doubt I'd get plenty of use out of the camera regardless.
 
Ivan- I would be planning to use it for documentary and other forms of storytelling. In fact if you told me I could go get paid to do anything I wanted, I would grab a RED and go move to the mountains to shoot ski docs. That would be a dream come true.
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I would hazard a guess, that the Scarlet will become the benchmark camera for a lot of action sports filming. This is an area where 16mm cameras have been traditionally used. I'm really interested to see how it performs in the great outdoors and any problems there could be from snow, rain etc. Judging by the fact that some of the early Epics have been used in this role already, I feel fairly confident that it should be robust enough. I don't really see these cameras being ideal for the average news crew, but who knows.
 
It will not work well in cold, as you have to access menu through touch screen. I shoot bike, ski and climbing footage and I can tell you is that the last thing in the cold climate you want is dealing with a touch screen. Rule # 1 for cold climates is that the camera has to have buttons and manual adjustments. I think the setup to have would be XF300 and 100, plus T2i for some pick up shots.
 
Robert Rogoz said:
It will not work well in cold, as you have to access menu through touch screen. I shoot bike, ski and climbing footage and I can tell you is that the last thing in the cold climate you want is dealing with a touch screen. Rule # 1 for cold climates is that the camera has to have buttons and manual adjustments. I think the setup to have would be XF300 and 100, plus T2i for some pick up shots.
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Just use the REDMote, then. No touchscreen necessary.
 
Terry, with all due respect, how much cold weather filming have you done? I think every camera should be tested before used in the cold. EX1 works like a champ, on the other hand I had HM100 and XPX170 freezing on me. HVX200 works great, but HM700 and earlier HD100/110 tend to stop working at about 25F (humidity dependent). I have not had a chance to test new Canon XF100, as it is (coldest on the record) spring. However electrically driven manual foocus/zoom mechanism should be treated as suspect. XF300 has mechanical zoom and focus, so I would give it also a try. But your advice is nothing but untested speculation.
Also one of my criteria is if you can operate the camera with your gloves on, can you do it with REDMote?
 
Robert Rogoz said:
Terry, with all due respect, how much cold weather filming have you done? I think every camera should be tested before used in the cold. EX1 works like a champ, on the other hand I had HM100 and XPX170 freezing on me. HVX200 works great, but HM700 and earlier HD100/110 tend to stop working at about 25F (humidity dependent). I have not had a chance to test new Canon XF100, as it is (coldest on the record) spring. However electrically driven manual foocus/zoom mechanism should be treated as suspect. XF300 has mechanical zoom and focus, so I would give it also a try. But your advice is nothing but untested speculation.
Also one of my criteria is if you can operate the camera with your gloves on, can you do it with REDMote?
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Well, with "all due respect" to you as well, you posed a dilemma that doesn't exist and I responded - no more, no less. My only point is that you don't have to use the touchscreen. If you can operate the controls of a 5D or 7D with gloves on, then you should be able to use a REDMote; it has physical buttons and scroll wheels, many of which are user programmable.

Pretty much everything related to Scarlet is "untested speculation" except for those things RED has tested and commented on. You assumption that the Scarlet may not do this or may not do that is, shall we agree, "untested speculation?" Finally, if the experience of the RED ONE is any guide, odds are pretty good Scarlet will do just fine in the cold. But we'll just have to wait and see, won't we? :coolgleamA:
 
Justin Schoenborn said:
Ivan- I would be planning to use it for documentary and other forms of storytelling. In fact if you told me I could go get paid to do anything I wanted, I would grab a RED and go move to the mountains to shoot ski docs. That would be a dream come true.

I am currently working on building a photography/video business on the side of my 9-5 as well. And if that takes off the way I want it to then that would be a huge use. Right now we're working on wedding photography and shooting small commercials for local businesses. I have no doubt I'd get plenty of use out of the camera regardless.
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Justin, I think you have your answer right there. If you can make good use of it, go for it! It will be a great addition to any media professionals arsenal.
 
Robert Rogoz said:
It will not work well in cold, as you have to access menu through touch screen. I shoot bike, ski and climbing footage and I can tell you is that the last thing in the cold climate you want is dealing with a touch screen. Rule # 1 for cold climates is that the camera has to have buttons and manual adjustments. I think the setup to have would be XF300 and 100, plus T2i for some pick up shots.
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From my experience with previous Canon X series cameras, I would say Scarlet will likely be more robust in adverse conditions. Compared to Sony or Panasonic 2/3" ENG cams, I consider the Canon's to be a bit on the delicate side and not very tolerant of humid or cold conditions.
There are multiple ways to control the new Red cams. The side handle has I think 8 user assignable buttons plus a rotary dial wheel and a rocker switch. Same with the Redmote. The lens ring is assignable for manual control of focus, iris , or zoom too.
 
With the right casing for the camera I'm sure the Scarlet Fixed will old up? It's what I'm planning to do anyway's so I really hope its a all weather camera. Although I'm not filming news I do need the camera to stand up to the elements from the high temps to the very cold and muddy conditions. I film World Rally Championship events (WRC) and at the moment I've been using my Sony Z1 for the past 6 years. I was planning to replace this camera with the Scarlet fixed camera.

This thread scares me that the camera wont be able to old up to:

http://www.rallybuzz.com/portugal-photos-roydempster/ or http://www.rallybuzz.com/suzuki-day-1-gb/

With the right protection I'm sure it will be okay?
 
Again and again and again, it's the magnification (or zoom) which is only 8x. Z1 has what?-18x? Say the low end (again just speculation as there are no specs) is 30mm (in 35 mm equivalence) that puts your max at 240- that is weak for telephoto.
 
Robert Rogoz said:
Again and again and again, it's the magnification (or zoom) which is only 8x. Z1 has what?-18x? Say the low end (again just speculation as there are no specs) is 30mm (in 35 mm equivalence) that puts your max at 240- that is weak for telephoto.
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It has been well documented that the lens is about 7.5 - 60 (8X) or a 35mm equivalent of 28-224. Think what you want about whether this meets your needs or not. It looks like you can get a Sony Z1 for about $2700. Why not go and buy it and save yourself all this agonizing? :001_smile:
 
Robert Rogoz said:
Again and again and again, it's the magnification (or zoom) which is only 8x. Z1 has what?-18x? Say the low end (again just speculation as there are no specs) is 30mm (in 35 mm equivalence) that puts your max at 240- that is weak for telephoto.
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I believe there was talk of an adapter for telephoto.
 
I believe there was talk about actually producing the camera- wasn't there supposed to be some big announcement at NAB? Oh, yeah- new FCPX. Terry, I really don't know what the specs are supposed to be, as RED has "coming soon" for past several months. Which brings me to the point, that while posters here are criticizing every camera out there, how inferior they are compared to Scarlet, other people are producing fantastic content with the same inferior sheyt cameras, while making good living.
I am out, wake me up when actual camera hits the market. Have fun comparing specs and discussing features and how fantastic and putting down every other camera out there, while dreaming of the holly grail of cheap cinematography. Bye
 
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