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Really Annoying ...

Speaking to the trade press in general, not specifically FDtimes - While it is annoying that Sony is getting a lot of press, remember that RED has actually received a lot too - many articles on REDONE and most have also done significant announcements on Epic. Unfortunately, with the modern pace of publishing REDONE is old news, and even the Epic development announcements, that would correspond to these Sony ones, are almost two years old so the next step would be articles when Epic ships.

They probably shouldn't gloss over RED's pioneering 4K, but Sony has supported these magazines for many years, so the reality is they are going to get some lean in their direction when it comes to articles. It's just the way it is.

I'm sure there will be some articles on what the M users are doing and a lot more once Epic cameras get in the hands of regular users.
 
Sorry, but someone needs to shake Rip Van Fauer and awaken him from his slumbers.

Those floodgates have been open for awhile now, and they are painted RED....
 
Meryem Ersoz said:
Sorry, but someone needs to shake Rip Van Fauer and awaken him from his slumbers.

Those floodgates have been open for awhile now, and they are painted RED....
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Yeah, I went back and reread that (read the article first a few days ago and didn't remember some of it) - I agree, the floodgates comment sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
Perhaps Jon just needs an open invitation to hang out around some Ms and see some 5K 120fps love? As you both just said - there isn't a whole lot that seems so new.

S35 - done.
4K - done.
120fps - done.
16-bit - done.
RAW - done.
1TB for 1hr of footage - done, and bettered.
Realtime external hardware debayer - done, RED ROCKET anybody?
ISO 800 - done.
Wide color gamut - done.

Floodgates definitely open already. In fact, I think the only thing we are missing are the tapedecks. And the word "missing" there is debatable.
 
There has been much discussion on our set on Spiderman since we are a Sony picture about this new camera. I believe it may become known as the Sony F65 camera.

I am happy to entertain new technology for our business. But I reserve any opinion until I can test the camera and see the form factor and understand the pricing structure and how it will affect our business from a creative viewpoint AND how it affects the Camera rental house.

I feel it will have to be priced competitively with the Epic and the Alexa and be updatable at the same time.
 
Let them have there antiquated day in the sun, Redusers have piles of 4k projects ready for re-mastering and distribution. We are only months away from breaking down the doors on 5k. With headliners like the Hobbit, Pirates and many others, you will have to have your head in the sand not to pay your respect to Red.

Without Reds success Sony wouldn't have the balls to bring a 4k camera to the market. They would just continue to gouge the life out of there customers by making them pay for SD optional boards or enabling 24p, or upgrades like a dial in ND filters and call it a new camera like they did on the PDW-F800. Not to mention the soon to come $20,000 444 data recorder for the F3. If mainstream 4k means nickel and dimeing the customer to death they can have it.

Red is very unique, never have i seen a company give so much for so little. And for the record Jim Jannard and his team is how 4k became mainstream.
 
I agree with Michael O. that Sony's push for 4K projection systems has been more meaningful than this camera-related press release. But, on the other hand, that's hardly news.

I'm glad to see Sony moving into 4K acquisition - the rising tide lifts all boats, and RED users will be all over it, once we have affordable 4K delivery systems in place.

It's just this oddball re-write of 4K acquisition history that hits all the wrong notes.
 
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Well let people say what they want to, red is a clear winner when it comes to 4k and the first practical 4k machine, and lets not forget that the sony camera isnt even out yet and red already has a 5k camera that shoots 120 fps at 14 megapixel and raw and 16 bit,on which some of the biggest hollywood studio movies are being shot(the amazing spider-man,the hobbit part 1 and 2,underworld4,jack the giant killer ,prometheus and clash of the titans 2 and more)it clearly makes red a winnner. by the time the sony camera comes out red would already have moved to 8k
 
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opps sorry forgot one important thing--- 18 f-stops of dynamic range
 
Hi Red Forum,
Thanks for all the attention. I'm trying to give equal, fair coverage in Film and Digital Times. If not, I'll try harder. The recent Sony posts are the result of a trip to Japan to visit their factories and R&D Center. The ARRI article last year came after a tour there. We've done equal opportunity factory tours of Cooke, Angenieux, Leica, and Fujifilm Optical Devices (last week). I hope a RED factory tour is imminent.

I've been enthusiastically following RED since the beginning. I've known Ted since he worked, gasp, at ARRI. Here's the cover story from our June 2007 issue #11:

Red, Green and Blue Revolution

Three emblematic colors illuminated NAB 2007. Red redefined digital motion picture
cameras. Green lights the way for environmentally friendly, lower power, high output
LED and fluorescent lighting. Blue is Blu-ray, hopefully taking off.

Inside the Red Tent
First of all, I admit being caught with my pants down. I had no idea how good a compressed
image could look, nor how an entire industry could be turned on its ear. We
had been barking up the wrong uncompressed tree.

The Red Rebels’ Paradigm is the high-end digital SLR still camera, running at 24 fps.
Ted Schilowitz of Red said, “We were building a movie camera, not a science project.”
Digital SLR still cameras are single chip, mostly APC-C size (roughly Super 35mm
format) and have become widely accepted while prices have dropped. Duh. Ted’s
title, “Leader of the Rebellion,” is apt. I love these new titles. Michael Phillips, the star
formerly known as Principal Product Designer of Avid, is now “Senior Evangelist.”
Not to be outdone, John Johnston, star formerly known at Kodak, has just joined us
at Film and Digital Times as “marketing guy.” lower case. But we digress.

Red set out to do what few dared, and exhibited it brilliantly. While almost everyone
else was pursuing a grail of uncompressed data on expensive solid state magazines or
massive, often refrigerator-sized storage arrays, Red delivered a manageable, beautiful,
wavelet compressed 4K image using little on-board, off-the-shelf hard drives.
The stunning surprise was Red’s demo. A long line led to a red fabric tent. Working
prototypes, displayed on either side, showed the results of 12 months since the first
major flurry at last NAB. We knew it was going to be worth the wait when Otto Nemenz,
Alex Wengert and Fritz Heinzle staggered out of the tent, dazed and amazed
by the previous screening.

We were ushered into a small screening room. Jim Jannard, Head of Red, personally
introduced what we were about to see, “Here’s a little something we shot in two days
in New Zealand the other day.” Now, Jim has always been a passionate filmmaker. He had been a former, unofficial member of the Arri 535A
owners association, which numbered about seven of us (including
Bill Bennett, ASC, Gary Thieltges, etc.) The 535A was
not a camera for the faint of heart, so was there a hint of litotic
mischief when he said he had shot “a little something?”

The article goes on for a couple more pages...It's at www.fdtimes.com/members

There are many more articles on RED in FDTimes. Thanks for the heads-up,

Jon
 
Thanks guys. After the early comments I was beginning to think I was just a fanboy that had gone a little crazy. Good to see that others see that there's just a little bit of an imbalance here.

I'm sure it's not a big conspiracy or malicious -- and thanks Jon for chiming in. I'm a big, big FAN of the publication (even the little piece on the new Fuji x100 was awesome and much appreciated) ... just hoping for more news/blog recognition for all the amazing things that are happening with Epic right now.

It's pretty newsworthy stuff in the world of cinema, though I'm sure with your resume and credentials you know that much better than I :)

Thanks,

Anthony
 
Thanks for your post here, Jon! Hopefully you'll get the chance to tour the RED facilities and get your hands around an Epic-M.

Also, I really do enjoy the factory tour articles. And as someone who always tries to understand and loves theoretical technical discussion, the recent articles about Sony and the new camera have been some great food, both for thought and for learning experiences.
 
Jon Fauer said:
Hi Red Forum,
Thanks for all the attention. I'm trying to give equal, fair coverage in Film and Digital Times. If not, I'll try harder. The recent Sony posts are the result of a trip to Japan to visit their factories and R&D Center. The ARRI article last year came after a tour there. We've done equal opportunity factory tours of Cooke, Angenieux, Leica, and Fujifilm Optical Devices (last week). I hope a RED factory tour is imminent.

I've been enthusiastically following RED since the beginning.

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There are many more articles on RED in FDTimes. Thanks for the heads-up,

Jon
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Jon,

Thanks for the classy reply. Look forward to reading and seeing more of your work!
 
Jon Fauer said:
Hi Red Forum,
Thanks for all the attention. I'm trying to give equal, fair coverage in Film and Digital Times.

There are many more articles on RED in FDTimes. Thanks for the heads-up,

Jon
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Thanks! for posting here Jon.

Yes I went on your website and look under keyword “RED” and I found 2 articles including this one.

I guess RED is an old story so no news here.

I am still curious where did you get this 16:8:8? Something verbal from Sony or from some hand written tech specs?

Andrew
 
It is always excellent to see the source popping in to respond to our idle chatter on the reduser forums. We live in the most interesting times.

It will be exciting to see an update on your 2007 perceptions, as we roll towards NAB 2011...no doubt a RED factory tour will be forthcoming.

The RED team loves to share their toys.
 
Andrew M. said:
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I am still curious where did you get this 16:8:8? Something verbal from Sony or from some hand written tech specs?

Andrew
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There's a whole thread on Sony's 16:8:8 here on REDUSER.
 
Is this going to be the same size as the DSMC cams? Also why is it just 4K? Surely Sony could foresee the future and just cut RED Off and jump straight to 6K or 8K even...

Its almost as if RED doesn't exist and Sony is just running with itself... I'm honestly confused how this whole competition thing is working when it comes down to camera manufacturing
 
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