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RED STATION 1.8" and 2.5"

2.5" drive reliability

2.5" drive reliability

The smaller and / or lighter an object, the more resistant to damage from shock... this principle holds for 2.5" drives v's 3.5" drives.
 
Stuart English said:
The smaller and / or lighter an object, the more resistant to damage from shock... this principle holds for 2.5" drives v's 3.5" drives.
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Stuart, I assume that 2.5" drives would possibly write faster than 3.5" drives due to a smaller platter and thus, shorter distance for arm-travel... but I'm curious if anyone has tested 5400 RPM 2.5" drives against 7200 RPM 2.5" ones? Would this difference in speed be noticeable in either downloading from the 1.8" SSD or offloading to another backup drive?
 
Elsie N said:
Stuart, I assume that 2.5" drives would possibly write faster than 3.5" drives due to a smaller platter and thus, shorter distance for arm-travel... but I'm curious if anyone has tested 5400 RPM 2.5" drives against 7200 RPM 2.5" ones? Would this difference in speed be noticeable in either downloading from the 1.8" SSD or offloading to another backup drive?
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Actually it's typically the other way around. 3.5" drives are normally faster. The platters in a 3.5" HDD are larger and with the same areal density, will therefore hold more information for a higher capacity per platter. You can put more platters in a larger enclosure, more read heads too. On a rotating platter, the surfaces which are further from the center have higher angular velocity. Therefore, the further a read/write head is from the center of the platter, the more bits it will encounter per platter rotation.

There are advantages to 2.5" drives though. Smaller form factor, less weight, inherently more robust, lower power consumption, etc.. 10Krpm is also becoming more commonplace in the 2.5" HDD market and is the new gold standard for performance HDD's. There are several 300 and 600 GB 10Krpm units out there now and they hold their own against 3.5" 7200rpm HDDs of similar capacity, and often outperform them in many benchmarks. Of course, there's 10Krpm and 15Krpm 3.5" drives, but that's another discussion. Most faster 10Krpm+ in both 2.5" and 3.5" tend to have SAS interfaces these days.

The 500GB, 640, 750 and 1TB 2.5" HDDs are all very economical solutions. The 500GB WD Scorpio Black is $70 w/ free shipping from places like Amazon and NewEgg.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Actually it's typically the other way around. 3.5" drives are normally faster. The platters in a 3.5" HDD are larger and with the same areal density, will therefore hold more information for a higher capacity per platter. You can put more platters in a larger enclosure, more read heads too. On a rotating platter, the surfaces which are further from the center have higher angular velocity. Therefore, the further a read/write head is from the center of the platter, the more bits it will encounter per platter rotation.

There are advantages to 2.5" drives though. Smaller form factor, less weight, inherently more robust, lower power consumption, etc.. 10Krpm is also becoming more commonplace in the 2.5" HDD market and is the new gold standard for performance HDD's. There are several 300 and 600 GB 10Krpm units out there now and they hold their own against 3.5" 7200rpm HDDs of similar capacity, and often outperform them in many benchmarks. Of course, there's 10Krpm and 15Krpm 3.5" drives, but that's another discussion. Most faster 10Krpm+ in both 2.5" and 3.5" tend to have SAS interfaces these days.

The 500GB, 640, 750 and 1TB 2.5" HDDs are all very economical solutions. The 500GB WD Scorpio Black is $70 w/ free shipping from places like Amazon and NewEgg.
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Thanks for clarifying Jeff. Was certainly unaware they are making a 10,000 RPM 2.5" HDD.

Still, there is much to know that probably RED doesn't even know yet. For instance, would a SATA III HDD offer an advantage when available in the 2.5" drives for offloading the 1.8" SSDs?... and will the 2.5" Red Station Module be able to accommodate that throughput? (Assuming it might because the 1.8" SSDs will surely match that speed). I'm hoping that someone (RED?) will do the tests among the various available rotating media so we can plan for the storage media before buying.
 
Ryan E. Walters said:
Tim,

This is what I am using: http://www.hudzee.com/

However, I am using these in an office environment. They are tough, and have padding. But I haven't used them in a remote environment. But then again, if I was in a remote environment, I do not think I would feel comfortable using bare drives in the first place ...
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Ryan-

Thanks for posting about our Hudzee hard drive cases! When someone is taking a large quantity of hard drives on set, I recommend using a Pelican Case, and placing the Hudzee with hard drive inside.

Just in case anyone reading this wants to purchase our Hudzee Hard Drive Cases from our website, use coupon code "REDUSER2010" for $5 off. We also have bulk orders available at a discount.

One last pitch: we have a special "White" Hudzee that holds a 2.5" bare drive.

-Todd
 
Todd Brous said:
Ryan-

Thanks for posting about our Hudzee hard drive cases! When someone is taking a large quantity of hard drives on set, I recommend using a Pelican Case, and placing the Hudzee with hard drive inside.

Just in case anyone reading this wants to purchase our Hudzee Hard Drive Cases from our website, use coupon code "REDUSER2010" for $5 off. We also have bulk orders available at a discount.

One last pitch: we have a special "White" Hudzee that holds a 2.5" bare drive.

-Todd
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Fantastic, thanks Ryan and Todd! Yes, I could see carrying these in a Pelican Case. The Colors will also be great for organizing back up, editorial, producer copy. etc.

Like everyone else, cannot wait to make the move to SSD Media.
 
WooHoo!!

Got my order in for the Module and some SSDs!!! :hurray:
 
Yup, SIDE SSD 1.8" MODULE for RED ONE and 128GB SSD 1.8" cards are both live: http://www.red.com/store/media

Two reminders:
1. People that have unfulfilled RED-DRIVE and RED-RAM orders will get shipping priority on the REDMAGs.
2. While we are in a "limited availability" situation with the modules and cards, we will only deliver 5x SSD cards per customer. Once we have healthy stock, it will be business-as-usual.

BC
 
ordered!
 
Sweet...

Any ETA on the 256GB SSD's?
 
Awesome. Everyone finally woke up and we can unwrap the presents now!
 
Ordered.

Very pleased that RED is releasing all of these components now. It will be a great opportunity to test the SSD media and validate the on location workflow with REDMAGS while waiting for EPIC to arrive.

Thanks to the entire team - a very nice holiday present indeed...
 
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