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Old Footage... New Color Science

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Brook Willard said:
If you guys haven't run your old footage through the new color science, you're out of your mind. I've seen it reel back almost a stop of additional usable DR in some shots. I'll post some examples soon that will simply knock your socks off.

One cannot overplay how important the new color science is.
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You're right Brook... just re-visited some old footage and I'm speechless.
Thanks Graeme and the whole team...351 is a fantastic new tool.
Needless to say that the skin's are totally new too...a lot more natural and beautifull.
We used to say that this is a new color art...not science.
A toast to RAW.:sifone:
 
Brook Willard said:
If you guys haven't run your old footage through the new color science, you're out of your mind. I've seen it reel back almost a stop of additional usable DR in some shots. I'll post some examples soon that will simply knock your socks off.

One cannot overplay how important the new color science is.
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Just got the original 4k footage of Sirens of TI shoot and will pass it thru once re-edited ;)
 
Jarred Land said:
Clip from an old camera test we did in London with Roberto Schaefer a few years back with pre-production RED ONEs..

RedColor2 RedGamma 2

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c'mon Jarred that looks like footage taken from an iphone :furious3: LOL. I know I know its a night shot, but its super videowy although pretty clean and sharp.

Look at the image below

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do you not see the difference in color curves?
 
shashbugu said:
c'mon Jarred that looks like footage taken from an iphone :furious3: LOL. I know I know its a night shot, but its super videowy although pretty clean and sharp.

Look at the image below

do you not see the difference in color curves?
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I think you are missing the point. As Jarred mentioned, this was shot in London on pre-production RED ONEs. This was before we recalled and replaced the 1st 100 cameras... no charge, btw. Nothing is blown and the image is very clean. This wasn't a grading exercise. With older footage it used to be a struggle to wring out the best image. There was nothing done to this one at all except REDcolor2 and REDgamma2 with a slight tug down on the blacks.

Jim
 
There is a chain that consists from he following parts: Lens/Optics + Sensor/Imager + RAW Developer App to get out a picture at high-end digital acquisition.

So improving RAW developer app always helps to get better image from older shot files.
 
Jannard said:
I think you are missing the point. As Jarred mentioned, this was shot in London on pre-production RED ONEs. This was before we recalled and replaced the 1st 100 cameras... no charge, btw. Nothing is blown and the image is very clean. This wasn't a grading exercise. With older footage it used to be a struggle to wring out the best image. There was nothing done to this one at all except REDcolor2 and REDgamma2 with a slight tug down on the blacks.

Jim
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Oh I agree 100% that the image is clean and actually very crisp for an available light night shot. But all day I've been showing the image of the lady to everyone. What I would love to see are shots of the original milk ladies from 2007 in REDgamma2 REDcolor2. Those were the pre-preproduction clips.
 
weird question and not to go off topic, but why is my auto clock on my Mac an hour and a minute BEHIND of this thread post clock?' isnt this board on pacific time?

I'm going to play with some old footy tomorrow as well. will post.
 
Ok, I did a little test on old night footage and I must say this indeed makes quite a difference. It just lights the image up where it matters in hard dark shots in one click. Thanks for the tip, I hadn't thought about this possibility yet. And thanks for the efforts.
 
Wow ! Super great results with color2 and Gamma2 !
 
shashbugu said:
What I would love to see are shots of the original milk ladies from 2007 in REDgamma2 REDcolor2.
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That is an interesting idea. I'd love to see the Return of the Milk Girls in the new color science, too.

The texture of that footage is what convinced me to throw down deposits on two RED cameras.

I shot some doc footage in the hardest possible environment recently, requiring quite a few compromises between protecting highlights and shooting for detail in shadows. When I pulled the footage into the new color science, it was a brand new day. No compromises. The contrasts were so smooth and clean.

My perception is that there is a lot more midtone to play with, which allows cleaner transitions between light and shadows. So much detail in middle lets you really push and pull the image. Dunno if that is right or wrong - just know that super-contrasty images now come in very clean.

New color science + HDRx + Magic Motion is going to be a FORMIDABLE combination. Gotta buckle up.
 
Brook Willard said:
If you guys haven't run your old footage through the new color science, you're out of your mind. I've seen it reel back almost a stop of additional usable DR in some shots. I'll post some examples soon that will simply knock your socks off.

One cannot overplay how important the new color science is.
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I would never do that, my "old" Red footage is vintage original Red footage now, I wouldn't touch it for a million, it's like having vintage film stock prints or something... "it's sooo 2008!" :smilewinkgrin:
 
Seems like New colr and Gamma reduce noise in darks? Is this possible?
 
I fail to see the "wow" in that footage..

With nothing to compare it to, it kinda looks like a superflat raw footage that my Sony Ex1 would produce. Im sure that Im wrong..

Educate me, what am I supposed to look after? DR? Low light/noise? Highlight protection?
 
Nik Skjøth said:
I fail to see the "wow" in that footage..

With nothing to compare it to, it kinda looks like a superflat raw footage that my Sony Ex1 would produce. Im sure that Im wrong..

Educate me, what am I supposed to look after? DR? Low light/noise? Highlight protection?
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You'd probably have to play with old shots with old tools to really apprechiate this.

Back in the day, this shot would have been pretty noisy at these luminance levels. The same shot 3 years later is pretty noisefree.

That's kind of the fun with RedRAW... It improves over time.

And you're right, it's flat.
That's by far the point, as that makes it quite gradeable. RED images were allways very gradeable and quite noisefree, but the recent improvements brings more flexibility, precission and stretchyness to those who prefer to work within a "rec" like workflow.

Back in the day, you'd have to crush the blacks a lot more. Now you don't.

It's a bit geeky and RED fanboyish, but gee it's fun... -:)
 
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