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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Arg i need scarlet right now!

All good advice. We have an HVX200 as well and for guitar lessons, since I could light the room easily, I could see using it as well. Shallow DoF is not really a benefit for guitar lessons, you want that whole fretboard and everything in focus. In fact, you might want to consider in the future two cameras, so you can have a master shot showing playing of both hands, and a secondary shot, run by someone, that can really focus on either hand. Talk about pumping out even faster.

Since you are in a static position, I'd definitely be running more mics. I play a Taylor 314ce and record in off it and mic it at the same time. Although, truth be told, if you are playing something like a strat or les paul, no extra micing is needed. (As you know, that sound acoustically is NOT pleasing) :) Archtop, yeah, I'd still mic it because I like that body resonance.

What I am getting at is I'd probably pick up a 4 track recorder (there are a few) with XLR ins and bring all that in separate. (Or just feed it to a computer with something like a MOTU, M-Audio or PreSonus type interface since you sound like you are in a fixed location).

This way, with the separate tracks on some different mics, it's really nice to tune up the recording to make it pleasing for the listener.

And I agree, sounds to me like cinema camera is not what you need but something ENG based for ease.
 
well guitar lessons is definitly NOT my line of work. haha its just a stepping stone. i realize scarlet is overkill for such a trivial application but i am planning on starting a career in nature shooting, which the scarlet will excel at. Thats the reason i want one. right now id probably buy an hvx to leave permanently at location. scarlet is my cam hehe. yes shallow depth of field is of no use to me in guitar lessons. its more of an annoyance actually. i am using a second camera already for a full body shot. the first camera focuses on the hands. as far as the sound department, yes more mikes would sound awesome on a nice sound system but for our general purposes these dvds will be sold to beginning guitarists, all that extra work wont bring us any more money when it comes to pricing the dvds. as the vast majority of ppl will be listening on basic sound.

later on when we are releasing lessons for the more advanced crowd, more mikes will be very important and i will built a system just like what u guys suggested. I will probably advance to something like an af-100 for the main camera. but for now we are just just starting out.

again thanks very much for all the opinions. -- now to go find me a camera....
 
No problem, glad we could help :)

I wish they had high speed recording back when they recorded Hendrix or Vaughn playing. Maybe something to consider when doing hammer ons and pull-offs and arpeggios. You could do them at full speed, then slow down from a higher frame rate so people can see what your hands are doing. :)
 
Jeremy_Sawatzky said:
well guitar lessons is definitly NOT my line of work. haha its just a stepping stone. i realize scarlet is overkill for such a trivial application but i am planning on starting a career in nature shooting, which the scarlet will excel at. Thats the reason i want one. right now id probably buy an hvx to leave permanently at location. scarlet is my cam hehe. yes shallow depth of field is of no use to me in guitar lessons. its more of an annoyance actually. i am using a second camera already for a full body shot. the first camera focuses on the hands. as far as the sound department, yes more mikes would sound awesome on a nice sound system but for our general purposes these dvds will be sold to beginning guitarists, all that extra work wont bring us any more money when it comes to pricing the dvds. as the vast majority of ppl will be listening on basic sound.

later on when we are releasing lessons for the more advanced crowd, more mikes will be very important and i will built a system just like what u guys suggested. I will probably advance to something like an af-100 for the main camera. but for now we are just just starting out.

again thanks very much for all the opinions. -- now to go find me a camera....
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I don't think I'd consider the AF-100 for what you are trying to shoot.

If you really like the look of Panasonic cameras, then I'd point you at the HPX370 and HPX 3700. I'd like to see a camera from Panasonic like the HPX-370 but with a 2/3" CMOS imager... but such a camera would probably be the end of the HPX2000, HPX2700 and HPX500.

Lacking such a camera, I'd still point you at the PMW-F350, and maybe an external recorder.

For your future nature photography, a 2/3" Scarlet with interchangeable lens might be a good option. You can mount long b4 lenses readily, and should be able to take advantage of HDRx. Just be aware that for the technical advantages you will pay a price in usability and workflow.

I think it may be two years before you can readily buy a 2/3" Scarlet without a wait- so getting a PMW-F350 today is a good investment that you should be able to pay off before you can even buy a Scarlet.

Good luck!
 
holy buckets... haha theres no way i could afford a 20 thousand dollar camera. im thinking if scarlet does take 2 years.... i think i should buy an hvx200 for 2500 bucks, sell it when the af-100 is released, then sell that when scarlet is released
 
Why not just take the gh1 and your old broken screen camcorder and buy two intensity pros for 189 each and run hdmi out into a Mac and record audio and split screen video all in one shot?

If your camcorder doesn't have hdmi out you can get one cheap $300 or so. Use it for the fretboard and the gh1 for your wider shot.

The gh1 will let you do some very nice nature stuff as well. The stock 14-140 is equivalent to about a 300mm on ff35 and has nice stabilization built in. And there are tons of 300 and 400mm slr lenses for supertelephoto that are cheap and easily adapted if you don't need autofocus and stabilization.
 
Jeremy_Sawatzky said:
holy buckets... haha theres no way i could afford a 20 thousand dollar camera. im thinking if scarlet does take 2 years.... i think i should buy an hvx200 for 2500 bucks, sell it when the af-100 is released, then sell that when scarlet is released
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Scarlet is likely to cost over $20000 before you have a real working camera.

The 2/3" scarlet fixed will work out of the box I think with some serious limitations, but you still need to buy media, and you'll almost certainly have to update your edit station, and possibly buy a RedRocket.

That's as cheap as a RED will get $6000 or so + media and edit upgrades. I'm guessing you'd spend $1500, or more, on media.

A Scarlet S35 will be more in the range of $20000 ready to run with two Red Pro Zooms.

$20000 is pretty much the entry point for a professional camera.

Cameras like the HVX200 and the EX1 are called "prosumer." They have a lot of pro features... but they also have consumer limitations and they are built with low cost as a primary engineering factor. That said a lot of professional work is done with "prosumer" cameras. I know I've been paid more for work with the HVX200 and EX1 than any other two cameras combined.

If an HVX200 is good enough for you, and you can get one for $2500 with enough media to do the work you are doing now, then go for it.

I'd seriously consider stepping up to the EX1R. I think you can get that for $6300 new. You'd probably can shoot 99% of what you do on SD cards using Sony's adaptor. If you need better image data (and you might) then down the road a KiPro Mini will do wonders for you.

Best of luck
 
alright guys so after some discussion with my co-workers on the guitar projects, we have decided that the gh1 is looking like the best option. Its well within my price range, Nice features and with the hack it seems like it has awesome video. No 12 min time limit either which is very important. As far as audio goes we will keep doing separate audio. Ive got it down to a very quick science and isnt as much of an issue as it was before.

Ive also wanted a solid stills camera for a while now so this will be great for that. Now my question is how do i know if ive gotten a hackable version? thanks again for all the input guys, u were right all along.
 
post on the dvxuser forums for that, there will be 50 replies in an hour, i read about a place in taiwan (legit) that doesn't flash their gh1's with the new (unhackable) firmware until he ships it, and you can request him not to flash the firmware so you can keep the hack.
 
I'm happy with the hack'd GH1 till Scarlet comes out, it's pretty nice and can be easily sold as there is a high demand for the hackable version. For the price/performance it's a great deal.
 
Tom.Wong said:
post on the dvxuser forums for that, there will be 50 replies in an hour, i read about a place in taiwan (legit) that doesn't flash their gh1's with the new (unhackable) firmware until he ships it, and you can request him not to flash the firmware so you can keep the hack.
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problem with that is i need the camera by the end of the week. regardless, u wouldnt have a link on that guy in taiwan by chance eh? how do i know if my cam is hackable or not. firmware version in the options menu? yes i posted in dvx user. hehe figured this wasnt the best place.
 
wow dvxuser is useless, i start a good thread regarding the gh1 and get 1 reply in 3 days. had like 7 questions in there.... This place so so so SO much better. I really appreciate all ur input over here guys. Thanks
 
Jeremy_Sawatzky said:
wow dvxuser is useless, i start a good thread regarding the gh1 and get 1 reply in 3 days. had like 7 questions in there.... This place so so so SO much better. I really appreciate all ur input over here guys. Thanks
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Yeah, so much for "50 replies in an hour" that dude way over sold the website.
I posted a Short film there that I shot on the EX1 earlier this year in hopes of getting some views but no dice no nothing.
 
Jeremy_Sawatzky said:
wow dvxuser is useless, i start a good thread regarding the gh1 and get 1 reply in 3 days. had like 7 questions in there.... This place so so so SO much better. I really appreciate all ur input over here guys. Thanks
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I think all your questions are answered already in the faqs and main thread. Maybe no one wanted to answer them all over again just for you. It's a hack, not like here where it's the company forum.
 
I get good response over there, but then again, I don't really ask GH1 questions. So maybe my response would be different.

Although I will say, comments on your own work are generally sparse. But I got more comments over there on some posted work then I did here.
 
Stuart English said:
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Please do explain...
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Heh, it makes me laugh when people make these assertions. Maybe for *their* workflow, but everyone works different.

When I was buying my 7D I was looking at what people thought was important to have and many people said 4 batteries and like 4 CF cards. I've been running with two batteries and 2 CF cards (and I should mention my CF cards are 32G and 1/3 the cost of what most people quoted) and I've never had an issue. Most of my shoots run from 7am till about 7pm at night and I've never had issues.

And this is NOT even including lens. Comments like 'you HAVE to have X or Y cine lenses' which is not true for everyone. Even when I get my S35 in the future I plan on using all my APS-C lenses. I've used them for a long time and absolutely love them. So I wouldn't even need lenses!

A Scarlet package is going to cost me $500,000 because I want a nice house to keep it in. :)
 
A Scarlet package is going to cost me $500,000 because I want a nice house to keep it in. :)
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LOL - yea, real working camera is guna cost 6 grand pal. Maybe a camera with every awesome accessory with the 5 mini primes will cost 20 grand.
 
I don't think Scarlet will be the camera for you. I think you need a camcorder, rather than a cinema style camera. There are lots to choose from and plenty of good deals to be had. Go choose something...
 
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