DaVinci Resolve V7.0 Supports Rocket

[jake blackstone]

B&H has estimated arrival for Resolve as September. Is this in line with what people are hearing? That would be fine by me.

Beta software is in the hands of selected artists and testing started already.
They have to deliver soon, as IBC is in September.

 

[Gunleik Groven]

Resolve will only be able to render out QT formats? Or will dpx & EXR be options as well?

G

 

[Luca Immesi]

What about a 2.66 mac nehalem, a BM sdi card, a rocket, an Ati card and a internal raid drives? Do I need nvidia? Does it work if I switch from ati to nvidia ?

 

[jake blackstone]

What about a 2.66 mac nehalem, a BM sdi card, a rocket, an Ati card and a internal raid drives? Do I need nvidia? Does it work if I switch from ati to nvidia ?

Resolve utilizes CUDA, which preclude any ATI cards.

 

[jake blackstone]

Resolve will only be able to render out QT formats? Or will dpx & EXR be options as well?

G

Yes, it will render the usual suspects-DPX, TIFF, Cineform, QT, MFX etc.
I don't know about Open EXR, I doubt it.

 

[Luca Immesi]

Resolve utilizes CUDA, which preclude any ATI cards.

Ok, so what about if I switch from ati to nvdia? Do I need 2 nvidia card or does it work with one nvidia and the rocket? What kind of BM card do I need? A BM sdi is ok?

 

[SimonBjork]

Anyone know if it will be able to import Open EXR files?

 

[Curran Giddens]

Ok, so what about if I switch from ati to nvdia? Do I need 2 nvidia card or does it work with one nvidia and the rocket?

This is what I am waiting for an answer to as well. Before it was using the second nVidia card to debayer the R3D. But not sure what else the second GPU is needed for now that all the R3D debayering is done on the Red Rocket. Especially if one of the nVidia GPU's is a Quadro 4000.

What kind of BM card do I need? A BM sdi is ok?

Tech Specs say you need the BM DeckLink HD Extreme 3D. But supposedly AJA will be supported in the future. It wouldn't count on it anytime soon though. I'm sure they would rather you buy a BM card instead of the competition.

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/decklinkhdextreme/

 

[Shane Betts]

Tech Specs say you need the BM DeckLink HD Extreme 3D. But supposedly AJA will be supported in the future. It wouldn't count on it anytime soon though. I'm sure they would rather you buy a BM card instead of the competition.

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/decklinkhdextreme/

BMD have bigger fish to fry than locking out users from some cards. Grant Petty recently said that that would be like using an application that specified one brand of printer - it doesn't make sense. They will enable Kona as soon as possible and simply continue to compete as they always have. Although many folk prefer Kona, BMD ain't exactly the shrinking company.

 

[Shane Betts]

BTW, reading this thread makes me glad I never signed on to learn grading. Everybody seems so ... grumpy :lol:

 

[Curran Giddens]

Well, since everyone is already grumpy...

Although many folk prefer Kona, BMD ain't exactly the shrinking company.

I would be pretty impressed if integrating support for the new AJA card when it comes out will be one of their top priorities.

 

[Frank Cueto]

Frank.
You assume, that I had never operated BL, right? Well, I used to owned BaselightHD and loved it. May be you should get off your high horse and try something else, like...Resolve?
While we're at it, I also drive Lustre, FilmMaster and little Scratch. Does that qualify me to make an informed decision on merits of different grading platforms? While we're at it, which statement made me sound uninformed?

Well, then I take it that picking Resolve is mostly a $$$ thing, seeing how you owned a BL previously, it must mean that at the time of purchase you evaluated all systems (including RESOLVE I assume) and picked Baselight.

I did attend TONS of demos on it (and the other ones) and did do my due diligence.Since I have never owned (or USED) a resolve, and since you have driven almost everything out there, maybe you could be the one to tell us what reasons should we have to pick it over everything else? Is it just the cost?

I genuinely care to learn from this exchange, and Jake, if I somehow offended you please excuse me :blushing:
:cheers2:

 

[M Most]

Very soon Resolve will become the most popular color grading software and for a good reason.

In some markets and in some market segments that might turn out to be the case. However, I seriously, seriously doubt that will be the case in major post facilities, both in and out of Los Angeles, for many reasons, not the least of which is that infrastructures are already in place and working very well for other systems (most of them have already been mentioned here) and those systems are constantly being upgraded and improved as well. Apple Color is technically the most popular color grading system, but very few facilities, particularly major facilities, have adopted it for client driven work. Red is arguably the most popular 35mm form factor camera, but in the world of high end television and major features, that is not the case, at least at this point in time. If popularity is measured in sold units, it is affected far more by it's appeal to the casual or nonprofessional user if the price is at consumer levels, as is the case with the Canon cameras, Apple Color, and perhaps with Resolve. That may mean quite a bit in terms of press, hype, and word of mouth, but it does not necessarily affect the higher end of the industry, and that includes post houses, which make choices based on ultimate return on investment that is largely driven by client acceptance and the ability of the facility to attract and keep new clients. That doesn't automatically mean getting the cheapest system, it means getting the best system for the work being done, the clients it's being done for, and the infrastructure already in place. Just some food for thought.

 

[jake blackstone]

In some markets and in some market segments that might turn out to be the case. However, I seriously, seriously doubt that will be the case in major post facilities, both in and out of Los Angeles, for many reasons, not the least of which is that infrastructures are already in place and working very well for other systems (most of them have already been mentioned here) and those systems are constantly being upgraded and improved as well. Apple Color is technically the most popular color grading system, but very few facilities, particularly major facilities, have adopted it for client driven work. Red is arguably the most popular 35mm form factor camera, but in the world of high end television and major features, that is not the case, at least at this point in time. If popularity is measured in sold units, it is affected far more by it's appeal to the casual or nonprofessional user if the price is at consumer levels, as is the case with the Canon cameras, Apple Color, and perhaps with Resolve. That may mean quite a bit in terms of press, hype, and word of mouth, but it does not necessarily affect the higher end of the industry, and that includes post houses, which make choices based on ultimate return on investment that is largely driven by client acceptance and the ability of the facility to attract and keep new clients. That doesn't automatically mean getting the cheapest system, it means getting the best system for the work being done, the clients it's being done for, and the infrastructure already in place. Just some food for thought.

You're correct in stating that technically, Color is most widely used color grading software today. But you're also well aware, that Color isn't considered to be a professional color grading solution, but Resolve certainly is. I'm not going to recite the usual litany of Resolve installations and movies, that it was used for. Nevertheless, Resolve is based on a proven platform, tested and used in top notch facilities every day. Resolve still has a world class tech support. From ground up it is designed to be incorporated in the traditional post workflow. Hollywood and beyond still has tons of colorists, that loves and knows DaVinci. Given the right opportunity, facilities will vote with their valets and colorist's minds. You can't dismiss rich DaVinci's history and engineering knowhow out of hand, just because it's so new. I fully expect teething problems with new iteration of Resolve. Yet, I believe, I have no choice, but to embrace it and learn it, if I want to stay relevant.

 

[jake blackstone]

Well, then I take it that picking Resolve is mostly a $$$ thing, seeing how you owned a BL previously, it must mean that at the time of purchase you evaluated all systems (including RESOLVE I assume) and picked Baselight.

I did attend TONS of demos on it (and the other ones) and did do my due diligence.Since I have never owned (or USED) a resolve, and since you have driven almost everything out there, maybe you could be the one to tell us what reasons should we have to pick it over everything else? Is it just the cost?

I genuinely care to learn from this exchange, and Jake, if I somehow offended you please excuse me :blushing:
:cheers2:

Hi Frank.
Of coarse the cost is a HUGE factor. But so is the upgradability, usability, top notch control panel and lots and lots of power, if needed. If I was just a colorist, working in a facility, I would be very happy operating Baselight or Lustre or FilmMaster. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but there is no Best or Better system. They are like my children and I can't pick favorites. I have no idea how good or bad the Resolve on a Mac will be, but I will certainly find out for myself. As I said earlier, as much as I love Lustre, I'm planning to abandon it. For the type of work I do, I estimate, that I will gain at least 100% more in productivity, by reducing the render times with Resolve.
And no apologies needed. In this forum you never know who you're talking to. To some people it may sound, like a whole bunch of grumpy men, but I enjoy frank exchanges, unless they become personal...

 

[jake blackstone]

New report about the Australian Resolve on a Mac release by Warren Eagles.

I liked what I saw, ProRes, and DNxHD read and write. New Stereo tools, improved GUI, and RR support.

Slot 1 - FX4800
Slot 2 - GT120
Slot 3 - Red Rocket
Slot 4 - Decklink HD Extreme

The storage was 3 regular SATA disks in the 3 spare internal slots of the Mac.
The Rocket gave us RT at Half Res Premium. Full Res Premium 4K Red at 18FPS.
RT at 1/4 Res without Rocket.
I liked the feature that lets you adjust the RED metadata setting on a clip basis, you can see both the Red camera settings, your project Red settings and your new clip settings. As you changed the controls
I didn't experience any compromise grading with the Mac over the Linux in terms of laggy grading controls, slow response of the controls or transport etc. Stability of the code was great.
I had 8 Nodes/layers of corrections running RT on HD DPX files. A loaded 1 minute timeline took 2 minutes to render.
Future Reality the DaVinci dealer also had a 17"Mac Book with a Wave and a 4GPU Linux with Resolve Panels.

 

[Gunleik Groven]

New report about the Australian Resolve on a Mac release by Warren Eagles.

I liked what I saw, ProRes, and DNxHD read and write. New Stereo tools, improved GUI, and RR support.

Slot 1 - FX4800
Slot 2 - GT120
Slot 3 - Red Rocket
Slot 4 - Decklink HD Extreme

The storage was 3 regular SATA disks in the 3 spare internal slots of the Mac.
The Rocket gave us RT at Half Res Premium. Full Res Premium 4K Red at 18FPS.
RT at 1/4 Res without Rocket.
I liked the feature that lets you adjust the RED metadata setting on a clip basis, you can see both the Red camera settings, your project Red settings and your new clip settings. As you changed the controls
I didn't experience any compromise grading with the Mac over the Linux in terms of laggy grading controls, slow response of the controls or transport etc. Stability of the code was great.
I had 8 Nodes/layers of corrections running RT on HD DPX files. A loaded 1 minute timeline took 2 minutes to render.
Future Reality the DaVinci dealer also had a 17"Mac Book with a Wave and a 4GPU Linux with Resolve Panels.

So you'll need a PCI expansion if you need a SAN/RAID solution...

BTW, thanks for the heads up!

 

[Gunleik Groven]

Ok, so what about if I switch from ati to nvdia? Do I need 2 nvidia card or does it work with one nvidia and the rocket? What kind of BM card do I need? A BM sdi is ok?

I was told today from one who have used it (so now you're told by someone who have been told by someone who used it... LOL) that it needs two nvidea cards. One is doing the processing, the other supplies the image. The image processing cycles will be the same, even with a Rocket, so you'll still need two nVidia cards to run it.

But this is the latest from the close-to-hearsey-mill...

 

[mikeburton]

New report about the Australian Resolve on a Mac release by Warren Eagles.

I liked what I saw, ProRes, and DNxHD read and write. New Stereo tools, improved GUI, and RR support.

Slot 1 - FX4800
Slot 2 - GT120
Slot 3 - Red Rocket
Slot 4 - Decklink HD Extreme

The storage was 3 regular SATA disks in the 3 spare internal slots of the Mac.
The Rocket gave us RT at Half Res Premium. Full Res Premium 4K Red at 18FPS.
RT at 1/4 Res without Rocket.
I liked the feature that lets you adjust the RED metadata setting on a clip basis, you can see both the Red camera settings, your project Red settings and your new clip settings. As you changed the controls
I didn't experience any compromise grading with the Mac over the Linux in terms of laggy grading controls, slow response of the controls or transport etc. Stability of the code was great.
I had 8 Nodes/layers of corrections running RT on HD DPX files. A loaded 1 minute timeline took 2 minutes to render.
Future Reality the DaVinci dealer also had a 17"Mac Book with a Wave and a 4GPU Linux with Resolve Panels.

Good to hear the stability of the app is good. Did he mention what kind of MacPro he was working on?

 

[RivaiC]

New report about the Australian Resolve on a Mac release by Warren Eagles.

I liked what I saw, ProRes, and DNxHD read and write. New Stereo tools, improved GUI, and RR support.

Slot 1 - FX4800
Slot 2 - GT120
Slot 3 - Red Rocket
Slot 4 - Decklink HD Extreme

The storage was 3 regular SATA disks in the 3 spare internal slots of the Mac.
The Rocket gave us RT at Half Res Premium. Full Res Premium 4K Red at 18FPS.
RT at 1/4 Res without Rocket.
I liked the feature that lets you adjust the RED metadata setting on a clip basis, you can see both the Red camera settings, your project Red settings and your new clip settings. As you changed the controls
I didn't experience any compromise grading with the Mac over the Linux in terms of laggy grading controls, slow response of the controls or transport etc. Stability of the code was great.
I had 8 Nodes/layers of corrections running RT on HD DPX files. A loaded 1 minute timeline took 2 minutes to render.
Future Reality the DaVinci dealer also had a 17"Mac Book with a Wave and a 4GPU Linux with Resolve Panels.

This is to be expected i guess, unless one of the GFX card is taken out, most probably GT120.

The question is what kind of performance consequences if we have to run with single FX4800 card that will act as GUI display as well.