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Grading in AE VS PPro

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Any advantages to using curves in AE VS PPRO, or using Colorista II in either app (I realize PPro has no trackers for Power Masks), in terms of color handling?

Does PPro still clip R3D highlights?
 
I am curious about this too. By force of inertia, I am still using AE after 15 years straight. I am comfortable with curves, levels and hue/saturation for most any situation. But for me it's rarely just about color, I am also fixing stabilization, artifacts, wire removal, vignettes, time stretching, frame blending, making green screen masks, faux HDR, etc. I am not saying I am using the best tool, but alternatives would have to do all these things. Since I am happy, I haven't been looking for anything else.

Phil
 
Rob Ruffo said:
Does PPro still clip R3D highlights?
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I don't think it would clip anything if you are working in max bit depth mode for final output.. just make sure you didn't clip anything from the R3D settings..

Charles Angus said:
When there's no money, Color.

When I can, I take my stuff to Notch in Toronto where they have a Pablo.
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Color's only advantage is interface.. it makes you work and achieve looks faster.. but, its much inferior than AE in terms of control and final quality output.. and of course much less options.. not to mention the crashes that sometimes makes you start over.. I'm mentioning CS5 with SA-CF..
 
I honestly don't find the interface of Colorista II bad at all, on the contrary. I also don't see what teh problem is with PPs curves. you can pull them out to be very big, and they run in real time on Red footage right on teh timeline. Convenience is part of interface no?
 
Phil Bates said:
I am curious about this too. By force of inertia, I am still using AE after 15 years straight. I am comfortable with curves, levels and hue/saturation for most any situation. But for me it's rarely just about color, I am also fixing stabilization, artifacts, wire removal, vignettes, time stretching, frame blending, making green screen masks, faux HDR, etc. I am not saying I am using the best tool, but alternatives would have to do all these things. Since I am happy, I haven't been looking for anything else.

Phil
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Right there with ya Phil!

What I do love about Adobe's workflow is that I can cut in PPro and get a good RGB/ISO correction done in Premiere adjusting the RAW setting. Then nest each scene so that when I bring into AE, I can lay an adjustment layer over each nested scene for a grade, then adjust individual shots as necessary. Very quick and very powerful. And now that Colorista II works in PPro, I can do even more there too!
 
For me Colorista II is working better in AE, since the color wheels are reacting much snappier. They are like molasses in Ppro.

If you are not doing grading day-in day-out, I'd say you'll be fine with Colorista II in many situations. If it's your daily job, Color with a dedicated interface like the Wave is a must-have.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
I honestly don't find the interface of Colorista II bad at all, on the contrary. I also don't see what teh problem is with PPs curves. you can pull them out to be very big, and they run in real time on Red footage right on teh timeline. Convenience is part of interface no?
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Of course it is, I didn't mention realtime playback coz I was comparing Color to AE with CF .. in AE there is no realtime playback like PPro.. neither there in Color.. both you have to wait for rendering.. especially if you are using the AE's remove grain plug-in or other heavy stuff things gets much slower to render..
Well, I didn't try Colorista II.. didn't know its out yet.. I'll try to check it if possible.. I loved working with the earlier version.. and also I don't how fast the new one is.. we'll see..
but, in case you're considering PPro in Color Grading.. the three-way cc is a great tool.. you can have as much secondaries as you like.. let alone 32-bit processing.. while also you can control your HMS ranges.. which you can't do in Color..
 
Since we're on the topic, anyone know how to change color temperature in PPro cs5? or AE for that matter?
 
Colorista II is a great color tool. I love being able to stay in premiere from start to finish except for compositing. I still get realtime playback at half res even using Colorista II. Honestly youd be hard pressed to have that kind of convinience in most any other similarly priced editing suites.
 
Jon B. said:
Since we're on the topic, anyone know how to change color temperature in PPro cs5? or AE for that matter?
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You should really start a new thread for questions unrelated to the original post. It's just bad etiquette to piggy-back on someone else's thread.

That said, adjust colour temperature by changing the relationship of red and blue. Lower temp? More red, less blue. Higher temp? Less red, more blue.
 
Charles Angus said:
You should really start a new thread for questions unrelated to the original post. It's just bad etiquette to piggy-back on someone else's thread.

That said, adjust colour temperature by changing the relationship of red and blue. Lower temp? More red, less blue. Higher temp? Less red, more blue.
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Thanks Charles. I'll seriously consider your recommendation.
 
pp has no color managent option with it...... will it be of any use to do color correction?
 
Jon B. said:
Since we're on the topic, anyone know how to change color temperature in PPro cs5? or AE for that matter?
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In your bin, you find your R3D clip and right clic on it and choose "source settings"

And here you are, all the meta-datas of the R3D files, like if your were still on set. In the white balance, play with the kelvins, that's how you change color temperature in PPro CS5.
 
Sivanesan said:
pp has no color managent option with it...... will it be of any use to do color correction?
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Paraphrasing what an Adobe Engineer at NAB told me:

"The program assumes you are viewing your material at sRGB, and then it gets converted to whatever the file format supports on output, so if you color correct at sRGB, and then export to a rec.601 source, it will be converted from what you saw."

sRGB is pretty close to REC.709 (same primaries, gamma, no reccomended brightness) When you export to a REC.709 medium, it will be in REC.709
 
Alexander Mejia said:
Paraphrasing what an Adobe Engineer at NAB told me:

"The program assumes you are viewing your material at sRGB, and then it gets converted to whatever the file format supports on output, so if you color correct at sRGB, and then export to a rec.601 source, it will be converted from what you saw."

sRGB is pretty close to REC.709 (same primaries, gamma, no reccomended brightness) When you export to a REC.709 medium, it will be in REC.709
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ok.... but if im targetting my output for films?

if use universal camera film printing density as my colorspace in AE

will it be go perfectly?
 
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