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Temporary Scarlet replacement

Yeah, I was surprised by that about the GH1 too as I would pick one up, but I do enough shots with the camera very far away from me that even with an articulating LCD it would make it very hard to work with. An external display REALLY helps in these situations.

Also, pertaining to lens on the 7D, I have actually been using the Sigma 30mm prime F1.4. It is AMAZING. Stay away from the Sigma zooms, I have two and they are pretty crappy, but the primes (including the 50mm 1.4) are REALLY nice. After being on a few different shoots, people have actually gone out and bought one because the results are so nice.

And for ultrawide, the Tokina 11-16 F2.8 is awesome as well. We have the Canon 10mm-20mm?(forget the upper range) and it is a very nice lens, but having the F2.8 on the Tokina is VERY VERY good. I pretty much won't use a lens slower than F2.8 only because I like to shoot at night and with that lens, I can stay below 1600ISO on every shot. for me 1600ISO and higher has too much noise.
 
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...ah-hemmm.... And my stupid question 3 posts ago about 5D or 550D?:banghead:
 
Francesco Glavina said:
Mmmh. Guys, I have a stupid stupid question. "EOS 550d" and "5D Mark II". Is the full frame of 5D so influential that I could see a big difference on a 1920x1080, compressed video?
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No.

Its a matter of what you want your images to look like.

I prefer to work with a sensor close to the size of S35, so I prefer the 7D and the RED One. Oh, and Super 35.
 
Rick Burnett said:
I had to use an external monitor to detect, and even then, since I am using a 720p external display (smallHD) I didn't catch all of them.
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If your are using the SmallHD DP1x did you try the one-to-one feature to see if that would help detect possible Moire patterns? Just curious.

-reed
 
Alexander Ibrahim said:
No.

Its a matter of what you want your images to look like.

I prefer to work with a sensor close to the size of S35, so I prefer the 7D and the RED One. Oh, and Super 35.
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..uuuuhh...YEAH!?

full frame vs/ the other one. beyond the fact that the 500d and 7d have very different looks than the 5d. there is also low-light performance and other things to think about when choosing between the 5d/7d/500d
 
Thanks Alexander and Justin.
Justin, I'm interested in 550d... I know that 5D work better with high ISO value, but in 550d (as in 7D) is possible to work with more variable frame rates and there are some "shortcuts" for video in the body...
What do you think? At standard ISO?
 
David Rasberry said:
I would personally take the EX series for general motion work over any DSLR. The new XD cam PMW 350 is still a near $20k camera unfortunately.
Of course when I estimated the cost of a Scarlet Cinema package decked out with all the modules to match most of the feature set of the PMW350, including the lens, it was about the same price. Yikes!
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Is this true!
 
Francesco Glavina said:
Thanks Alexander and Justin.
Justin, I'm interested in 550d... I know that 5D work better with high ISO value, but in 550d (as in 7D) is possible to work with more variable frame rates and there are some "shortcuts" for video in the body...
What do you think? At standard ISO?
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I wouldn't base your purchase on the 720/60p addition. It really is unuasble in my eyes.... the aliasing/moire is through the roof. 60p on the GH1 is much better.
 
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Thanks Jim. That's right... No one have done experiments with that cameras? In the test files on-line the 5D seems to be sharper, but for the nature of this cameras it look strange...
 
Jim

Jim

Thanks Jim! I'll decide in this next days...
And hoping in news from RED... just a breath
 
Jim Retar said:
I have tested all the DSLRs and the 5DII has the best overall image, probably 20% improvement on 7D and 550D... the hacked GH1 gives it a run for it's money though.
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Only problem with the GH1(3) is that with higher bitrates come overheating and instability. The bitrate apparently isnt fixed so it fluctuates between like 30 and 80 MBit/s and since you cant control this, the camera will basically "burn out" and quit recording. I think this is a major factor to take into consideration before saying it'll give anything a run for it's money. a step in the right direction though? yes.
 
Justin Armstrong said:
Only problem with the GH1(3) is that with higher bitrates come overheating and instability. The bitrate apparently isnt fixed so it fluctuates between like 30 and 80 MBit/s and since you cant control this, the camera will basically "burn out" and quit recording. I think this is a major factor to take into consideration before saying it'll give anything a run for it's money. a step in the right direction though? yes.
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There are ZERO overheating issues with the GH13, if your not using a san disk extreme 3 card it will stop recording if you set the bit rate to high.

It's better than the 5DII with the new hack if you know how to set it up properly. It is a lot of work research tho right now, some good threads about it are on Jarreds other site: dvxuser.com.

If it were me waiting for Scarlet I'd buy the GH1 (body only for $600 ish), do the hack and invest in some really nice glass you can use with Scarlet in the future. Good glass is where you need to put your money but use the GH13 for now until things change in the future. It's a win-win for today.
 
yep... there are some solid hack settings now (as long as you have a fast SD card). I have no panic taking it on a shoot. Never had any over heating problems yet.

Are you speaking from personal experience?
 
Lenses for 7D

Lenses for 7D

Hi Alden,
Some (not so quick) thoughts on the 7D that might help:

LENSES: I didn't read what lens you used. Because of ergonomics, stabilization may come into play as well and certainly a higher quality zoom might help? Lots of options out there and might be cheap to rent high end/faster lens.

Other thoughts:

Shoot Time: I'm also debating if shooting a documentary on the 7D because I believe it has a more limited recording time (a clip limit). 12 minutes is about the maximum. That, for me, may not be good for interviews. Alternately I'm looking at the Panasonic HVX200a (see my note below about a film made on it).

Resources: For DSLR Shooting: go to Phillip Bloom's website (http://philipbloom.net/) and follow links, look up info there regarding shooting on the Canon cameras.

Hope that is moderately helpful! My best advice though I'll take from the recent Ridley Scott project "Life In A Day" (see youtube) in which he says, "Get a camera and JUST SHOOT IT". The technology is constantly changing and yet stories are being told every day. Having just come back from the L.A. Film Fest I can assure you that the technology was not holding back a lot of filmmakers from making extraordinary films. In particular, Hello Lonesome (shot on Panasonic HVX200) and the documentary called "Ain't In It For My Health" (Levon Helm story shot on an older Sony camcorder).

That said I'm still drooling over this mysterious vaporware known as the "Scarlet".
 
i remember reading Gh1 (3) can record up to he capacity of its card and is not limited to 12 min like 5D MK 2 . I do a lot of interviews too so the longer record time is also important to me. Also a lot of money to be spent on audio adapters etc , mostly sill super stocked for scarlet , these still cameras are not enough of a video camera for me. I like nd filters good synch audio etc etc
 
K.C. Marsh said:
Hi Alden,
Some (not so quick) thoughts on the 7D that might help:

LENSES: I didn't read what lens you used. Because of ergonomics, stabilization may come into play as well and certainly a higher quality zoom might help? Lots of options out there and might be cheap to rent high end/faster lens.

Other thoughts:

Shoot Time: I'm also debating if shooting a documentary on the 7D because I believe it has a more limited recording time (a clip limit). 12 minutes is about the maximum. That, for me, may not be good for interviews. Alternately I'm looking at the Panasonic HVX200a (see my note below about a film made on it).

Resources: For DSLR Shooting: go to Phillip Bloom's website (http://philipbloom.net/) and follow links, look up info there regarding shooting on the Canon cameras.

Hope that is moderately helpful! My best advice though I'll take from the recent Ridley Scott project "Life In A Day" (see youtube) in which he says, "Get a camera and JUST SHOOT IT". The technology is constantly changing and yet stories are being told every day. Having just come back from the L.A. Film Fest I can assure you that the technology was not holding back a lot of filmmakers from making extraordinary films. In particular, Hello Lonesome (shot on Panasonic HVX200) and the documentary called "Ain't In It For My Health" (Levon Helm story shot on an older Sony camcorder).

That said I'm still drooling over this mysterious vaporware known as the "Scarlet".
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Thanks for the info K.C.

I dont think that the lens quality is a big issue. There may be some improvement but based on the research I have done and looking at different examples and shooting myself the canon dslrs just dont cut it for sharp landscape shots that have a lot of detail when viewed full res.

That being said it is great for other aspects of my project where I want to get cus with the shallow dof. However I am going for a specific look on the longshots and I want everything tack sharp. Now if you were to down sample it to 720p it would probably hold up but not otherwise in my opinion.

The recording time is not really an issue as I wont be shooting any interviews (its a historical documentary so its MOS re-enactments and landscapes/timelapse)

Thanks for those links and that is definitely sound advice about just shooting which is what I am doing with the T2i (shooting other smaller projects). Honing the craft with what tools I have.

One thing I dont like however when shooting handheld (or with a shoulder rig) with the dslrs wide open is when subjects are constantly going in and out of focus. Drives me crazy! To get a good look with moving shots you really need to plan and have the right equipment (focus pull etc.) which can add up to quite a bit of $.

In October however when I need to go out and start shooting some landscapes in Utah (need to shoot before the snow arrives) I will have to make a decision as to what camera to get as the t2i (or and current canon dslr) wont cut it for these shots. I was looking at the panasonic AG-HMC40. Its not great in low light but I will be doing mainly daytime shots anyway. We'll see though when the time comes.

I'm hoping when I start shooting the re-enactments in January the Scarlet will be available.

Until then I guess its a bunch of timelapse on my D-200 and whatever other shots I can get on the t2i.
 
Alden Anderson said:
In October however when I need to go out and start shooting some landscapes in Utah
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The Sony NEX-VG10 could work for that and it'll be out mid-September. The sensor is tweaked for video and it's looking really good on the wide shots. The GH-1(3) can also handle them, but the 2K-for-$2K Sony looks more practical to me -- uncompressed HDMI output during recording is really useful, and it allows you to use better codecs like ProRes 422 with the AJA Ki Pro.
 
Erich Ocean said:
The Sony NEX-VG10 could work for that and it'll be out mid-September. The sensor is tweaked for video and it's looking really good on the wide shots. The GH-1(3) can also handle them, but the 2K-for-$2K Sony looks more practical to me -- uncompressed HDMI output during recording is really useful, and it allows you to use better codecs like ProRes 422 with the AJA Ki Pro.
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Just looked it up. It only shoots interlaced. Is that right?
 
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