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HP's New 30 inch LCD Display looks Sick!

Blair S. Paulsen said:
. In terms of the black levels, unless you happen to have a Grade 1 CRT with decent resolution laying around... The series 11 & 12 Panny Plasmas are a bit better than the DreamColor in terms of blacks but IMHO, not by much.

It would be interesting to see a proper evaluation of the new 30" HP monitor and also to find out if it has the level of calibration control that the DreamColor has, a feature, IMHO, not to be overlooked.

Cheers - #19
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Blair I respect you a ton, but the Dreamcolor and the Panny 12... NO COMPARISON in blacks, it literally is night and day. Best test? Throw up a an all black screenshot and turnoff the lights. Dreamcolor's biggest issue to me is it was WAY TOO BRIGHT and the off access is unacceptable in a room... fine for DIT work (1 person at a time viewing).

Best thing about this new HP is its ability to reference 2K imho.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
The reason I went with the VT25 over the lower model G25 is the VT series has a better AR filter and will do true 24fps playback at 48 or 96 Hz. The G25 series only does 3:2 pulldown. OTOH, the G25 is still a bit better than the 12th-gen panels. If you can live without the direct 24fps support and 3D, it would be a fine choice and would save a thousand bucks.
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My buddy has a G20 and it actually does 48Hz. Not sure why they didn't include that on the G25...

Apparently, the black level of the new VT25 is on par with 8th gen Pioneer Kuros, and next to the highly regarded 9th gen Kuro, it's very very close, and better in some ways apparently. Still haven't gone to Best Buy to check one out yet.
 
Alexander Alexandrov said:
Hi Jeff. How do you like the VT25 so far?
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Nice, but I still haven't calibrated it. :laugh:


Craig Ryan said:
My buddy has a G20 and it actually does 48Hz. Not sure why they didn't include that on the G25...
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Because they want you to buy a VT25... Actually the 48Hz is hard on my eyes after long viewing sessions, the 96Hz is way better from the VT25 (and some of the previous V series and Z1 models).

Apparently, the black level of the new VT25 is on par with 8th gen Pioneer Kuros, and next to the highly regarded 9th gen Kuro, it's very very close, and better in some ways apparently. Still haven't gone to Best Buy to check one out yet.
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Yep, that is pretty much where it falls. Once it's dialed in, it seems to be between the 8th and 9th gene Kuros. Overall, the picture is better than the 9th Gen Kuro Elite. To some, that statement is pure blasphemy, but I have a 60" Kuro Elite to compare to. The Panny has lower noise, much better highlight rendition, as well as less phosphor persistence and phosphor bleed. The bleed is pretty bad on the Kuros, but that was the compromise made to get those inky blacks with the technology of the time. So far I have seen a 0.0008fl rise in black level measurement after about 120 hours. And most of that occurred within the first 50 hours, so it seems to be holding steady. I'm at the point where I'm ready to calibrate, but I need a new probe and haven't got around to buying one. My Spyder3 can no longer be trusted. My black level measurement was taken with the Spyder3, so I'm not too confident in it, but my eyes seem to agree so far.
 
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So far, the only 24p I've fed the display has been out of the RED Rocket via an AJA 3G HD-SDI to HDMI converter. That looks good so far, but to be honest, most of the 120 hours on the display so far have been running break-in slides and I've had it on watching world cup and baseball while I've been doing a lot of coding.

I'm not sure what artifacts at 24p that review speaks of. Have you checked the reviews and discussions at avsforum.com ?? I haven't stopped by there recently, but I didn't see any reports of 24p artifacting or issues the last time I cruised through there. It's also hard to say with consumer devices such as this... Problems like that could be coming from an HD source like a satellite or cable box, Blu-Ray, etc..

I'll do some more serious tests as I get ready to calibrate here real soon. It seems there is also a firmware update for the unit too and I guess I should read up and see if I should install or not. It's pretty hard to roll-back firmware on these TV's if Panasonic releases a bad one.
 
read some avsforum posts briefly, but there are lots of useless ones to go through.
in general there seems to be some issue with 96hz / 60hz @ 1080p 24 (flickr? motion? pans?). but then again all are mostly consumer reviews / posts.

also previous panasonics had some issues with blacks over time, and it's perhaps too early to tell on this one
 
Alexander Alexandrov said:
read some avsforum posts briefly, but there are lots of useless ones to go through.
in general there seems to be some issue with 96hz / 60hz @ 1080p 24 (flickr? motion? pans?). but then again all are mostly consumer reviews / posts.

also previous panasonics had some issues with blacks over time, and it's perhaps too early to tell on this one
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The whole flicker thing IMHO is a bit overrated.

Some are obviously more sensitive to it than others, and when I got my Panny 800u in 2008 I didn't like the 48hz setting at first.

That said, now I can't watch anything without it on, and the reason is that it renders motion MUCH better for 24p content. IMO, the flicker is not much different than what we see with film projected at 24fps with a 3 bladed shutter. It's very similar actually. For me, its the most apparent in bright scenes - an overcast sky for example. Over time though, it becomes less distracting and you fall in love with the motion.
 
48Hz on the VT25 is indeed a bit hard on the eyes. As fast as the blanking interval is, it's still slower than a butterfly shutter on a movie projector. And the phosphor persistence has really been decreased, which makes it more noticeable. 96Hz is a lot better and I personally don't see a problem with it. It has a nice feel to it, but can cause some eye strain after long viewing sessions. Although, I really don't know what else can be done here... It's not bad, there are no "artifacts" it just is what it is. I personally don't mind it at all and the true 24p is nice to have. If any of you guys are familiar with 24fps on the Panasonic Pro Plasmas, especially the 12 series -- the VT25's are the same as the new 13th-generation PF20 series. Anyway, it's better than the 12 series, IMO.

There is some noticeable strobing on pans, especially with bright areas -- overexposed or overcast sky, the side of a white building, etc.. But nothing we don't typically see from just about any type of studio monitor. Really, if you want better than this, your next upgrade should be a DLP projector, but that has its own set of issues.

I think a lot of the complaints are coming from home theater enthusiasts who expect a perfect image. And by perfect, I mean exactly replicating their theater experience. This doesn't quite do it, therefore it's flawed... And yet they don't know how to explain what they're seeing or what may be the technical reasons for it.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Nice, but I still haven't calibrated it. :laugh:




Because they want you to buy a VT25... Actually the 48Hz is hard on my eyes after long viewing sessions, the 96Hz is way better from the VT25 (and some of the previous V series and Z1 models).



Yep, that is pretty much where it falls. Once it's dialed in, it seems to be between the 8th and 9th gene Kuros. Overall, the picture is better than the 9th Gen Kuro Elite. To some, that statement is pure blasphemy, but I have a 60" Kuro Elite to compare to. The Panny has lower noise, much better highlight rendition, as well as less phosphor persistence and phosphor bleed. The bleed is pretty bad on the Kuros, but that was the compromise made to get those inky blacks with the technology of the time. So far I have seen a 0.0008fl rise in black level measurement after about 120 hours. And most of that occurred within the first 50 hours, so it seems to be holding steady. I'm at the point where I'm ready to calibrate, but I need a new probe and haven't got around to buying one. My Spyder3 can no longer be trusted. My black level measurement was taken with the Spyder3, so I'm not too confident in it, but my eyes seem to agree so far.
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Hi Jeff, now the World Cup is over. When are you or have you calibrated your VT25? Lim
 
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