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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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I guess that Epic bug could be a huge one at tarantula size...

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Tarantula - Aphonopelma chalcodes.

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Jannard said:
We have Tattoos shooting incredible footage. 5K is everything we had hoped. We have a bug we need to squash before we can release EPIC to everyone, but don't get me wrong... this project is incredible.

Jim
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I am just curious, can you tell us what problem the bug is causing? Since the Epic prototypes work on some level, shoot etc. The bug must not be totally preventing the camera from functioning altogether. Maybe this has been answered, I haven't followed every thread.
 
Jannard said:
Joofa... talk is cheap. You and your colleagues? Really? So you could do what no other camera company has ever done? Really? Then why don't you actually do it and save us the effort? Really? I'll shut down RED and buy yours...

Jim
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I was putting together a jib+dolly with a light crew, we had some problems with tight spaces and lines of sight and it ended up taking 90 minutes.

Some jerk from the location said "I've never seen anyone take that long to put a jib up, it should only take 15 minutes". I asked him when the last time was he put up a jib on a dolly and he admitted never, but that "it really shouldn't take that long".

Anyway, we all have these stories - actors who know how long lighting "should take" and first-time clients who's daughters brothers sons etc. could certainly do it for less and faster.

They're all full of it.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
I was putting together a jib+dolly with a light crew, we had some problems with tight spaces and lines of sight and it ended up taking 90 minutes.

Some jerk from the location said "I've never seen anyone take that long to put a jib up, it should only take 15 minutes". I asked him when the last time was he put up a jib on a dolly and he admitted never, but that "it really shouldn't take that long".

Anyway, we all have these stories - actors who know how long lighting "should take" and first-time clients who's daughters brothers sons etc. could certainly do it for less and faster.

They're all full of it.
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Good stuff Rob. Many times I've had someone who has no idea what they're talking about tell me how long it should take to do something.

I used to tell staff who worked for me when they hear someone starting talking like that to watch out, red flags!
 
Out of curiosity what is the price difference between US and Chinese manufacturing for a product like RED? Or is that far too deep into trade secrets?

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Maybe I'm the odball here but I would rather be building a new camera than sitting on an island in the pacific. I get bored with beaches pretty quickly. Now building a new camera.... on an Island. That could be fun for a while. :D

Company retreat!
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Out of curiosity what is the price difference between US and Chinese manufacturing for a product like RED? Or is that far too deep into trade secrets?

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Maybe I'm the odball here but I would rather be building a new camera than sitting on an island in the pacific. I get bored with beaches pretty quickly. Now building a new camera.... on an Island. That could be fun for a while. :D

Company retreat!
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I'm sure that is to far into the trade secrets- but form a quick search on google- it seems that the average hourly rate in China is about $0.67 USD. (That was a 2005 number - I didn't bother to look much deeper for a 2010 number). And the current US federal minimum wage is $8.25. (Or will be on July 1st.) So there is just a little difference in labor costs ...
 
Jannard said:
Sorry... this is where I would be.

Jim

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So does that mean that island is like your own personal country, or is it still subject to the laws of Fiji or wherever it's close to?
 
Ryan E. Walters said:
I'm sure that is to far into the trade secrets- but form a quick search on google- it seems that the average hourly rate in China is about $0.67 USD. (That was a 2005 number - I didn't bother to look much deeper for a 2010 number). And the current US federal minimum wage is $8.25. (Or will be on July 1st.) So there is just a little difference in labor costs ...
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Those numbers are going to be a lot different today. It's not as cheap to do things in China as it once was and there are also import fees. Don't get me wrong, it is cheaper than in the US, but at least the numbers are converging.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Out of curiosity what is the price difference between US and Chinese manufacturing for a product like RED? Or is that far too deep into trade secrets?

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Maybe I'm the odball here but I would rather be building a new camera than sitting on an island in the pacific. I get bored with beaches pretty quickly. Now building a new camera.... on an Island. That could be fun for a while. :D

Company retreat!
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The wage variance between China and Western countries is huge. The workers at one of the factories I worked at in Shenzhen made an average of .45 cents an hour. The worst factory I visited paid .30 cents an hour. This is four years ago. The higher profile, higher tech factories paid more, but you're still looking at a huge difference in standard of living.

Component manufacturing here in the US is largely automated using robots, so you can get parity in some cases depending on what your product's needs are. I've visited high tech facilities in both the US (Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Eastman Kodak) and state of the art factories in China (Textiles, Consumer products, automotive parts) and I found them to be identical on the inside.

Trying to hit Scarlet's target retail price will be challenging for overseas manufacturing, but it would be impossible here. Unless Jim wanted to offer the Scarlet as a "model kit".
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Out of curiosity what is the price difference between US and Chinese manufacturing for a product like RED?
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In December I took a cab ride across Beijing and gave the driver a tip, the total was about $6 USD. (they must get free gas)
 
Jeff Coatney said:
I've visited high tech facilities in both the US (Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Eastman Kodak) and state of the art factories in China (Textiles, Consumer products, automotive parts) and I found them to be identical on the inside.
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ha. Maybe it looked identical because it was an exact copy.

I was reading somewhere about where they steal the entire blueprints to a factory or plant and then build an exact copy.
 
I'm glad your back Jim, and your health is back in order

I'm glad your back Jim, and your health is back in order

A few thousand minds might want to help. I hope I'm not out of line here.

Seems there are two major issues. Redusers would probably love to try to help RED as a company succeed, as we feel we are part of that company, and in turn- helping our selfs.

1st- the Bug. Understandably not divulging every detail is necessary; But, perhaps- A we need this formula solved, or in this language this command is giving unstable results, can someone make this stable, etc

2nd- Scarlett building facility, here are the parameters we need.
 
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