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Custom built PCs are rising.. after CS5

My locking in factor to Mac is actually Logic Pro, as I write music and score a lot. I do use FCP, but for that I don't feel locked in. I am going to try out Premier once I pick up CS5 because I am a HUGE After Effects Fan. I really can't stand motion. It's nice for quick stuff, but I find that for more advanced stuff it can be harder in Motion.
 
ok Mohammed...

i did a test and overclocked my i7 920 to 3ghz and rendered from maya for 12hours...

temperatures peaked at about 72c under full load (well 90+ %) occasionally shooting up to 78-79

at idle the temps were around 50 ish
I also have the lamer C0 stepping i7

but i could see one possible difference why yours would be so much hotter...
I am in Canada...you are in Egypt :sifone:
 
Mike Harrington said:
ok Mohammed...

i did a test and overclocked my i7 920 to 3ghz and rendered from maya for 12hours...

temperatures peaked at about 72c under full load (well 90+ %) occasionally shooting up to 78-79

at idle the temps were around 50 ish
I also have the lamer C0 stepping i7

but i could see one possible difference why yours would be so much hotter...
I am in Canada...you are in Egypt :sifone:
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Yeah... When it comes to OC I envy people who live in such chilly places.

The summer here is crazy.
 
well....
i would gladly trade overclocking abilities for your winters
:001_cool:
 
Mike Harrington said:
well....
i would gladly trade overclocking abilities for your winters
:001_cool:
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LOL.. It's funny but here in Kuwait the right time to overclock is summer, not winter.. :smilewinkgrin:
Central Air Condition magic..
 
Mike Harrington said:
serious???

first step from the blog

//BEFORE YOU BEGIN

•If you have greater than 4gb of RAM, remove the extra RAM for a maximum of 4gb//

i would have to pull 8 gigs from my machine
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Just stepped back into this thread since i noticed it floated back to the top.

Why remove more than 4 gigs according to the method outlined by Tonymac? It's for the install. if you are using a non-natively supported CPU during install (when you are running the native Kernel) it may cause a crash.

Personally I use one of my several Real Macs to do an OSinstall.mpkg method to an esata Drive, and then install that on my hackintosh. I actually don't use, own or have installed any copy of Windows (legal or otherwise) in my house. No need for it. I payed for Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard legitimately. Tried using a friend's windows 7 machine...not really something I care to go back to. I mean it worked okay - just sort of ehhhhhh...
 
Mike Harrington said:
ok Mohammed...

i did a test and overclocked my i7 920 to 3ghz and rendered from maya for 12hours...

temperatures peaked at about 72c under full load (well 90+ %) occasionally shooting up to 78-79

at idle the temps were around 50 ish
I also have the lamer C0 stepping i7

but i could see one possible difference why yours would be so much hotter...
I am in Canada...you are in Egypt :sifone:
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OK.. that's good reason..
FYI, I'm getting air conditioning soon.. :sneaky2:
plus my TRUE COPPER Thermalright, I will have more fun,
 
A thread just for me, LOL.

Rules of an experienced OC'r:
1st: Get equipment that has been proven to handle what you are going to throw at it.
This includes the PSU, mobo, CPU, right stepping for the cpu, proven ram, proven vid card, proven or modded case with the appropriate amount of fans, and last but not least a Large enought cpu cooler. Assuming you will be using only air/ modify with proven water modules at your leisure.
2nd: Decide whether you will go water, air or my favorite 'micro refrigeration'.
3rd: By deciding how loud you can live with will effect your decision. Powerful fans are loud, don't kid yourself.
4th: Read, Read, Read


Mac vs PC:

Both have their issues, trust me. I know an equal amount of people that want to take a baseball bat to their Mac or PC depending on the day you talk to them.

To go Mac like a Hack can be done with various systems. I did it with an amazing board, EVGA Classified E760. This board is built to withstand liquid nitrogen cooling.

To do this I read, a lot. I became the member of probably 8 different new forums. You have to learn about terminal, plists, hex code and dsl's.

After all my experience if I were to do it again I would choose a Gigabyte board. Why? They are the absolute easiest to Hack. You can now get modified bios's to make it even work smoother.
__________________________________________
Bottom line, OC'ing is awesome-- I now have a PC and an MAC sharing the same case. Who said MAC and PC couldn't be friends, LOL.
 
Shawn P said:
A thread just for me, LOL.

Rules of an experienced OC'r:
1st: Get equipment that has been proven to handle what you are going to throw at it.
This includes the PSU, mobo, CPU, right stepping for the cpu, proven ram, proven vid card, proven or modded case with the appropriate amount of fans, and last but not least a Large enought cpu cooler. Assuming you will be using only air/ modify with proven water modules at your leisure.
2nd: Decide whether you will go water, air or my favorite 'micro refrigeration'.
3rd: By deciding how loud you can live with will effect your decision. Powerful fans are loud, don't kid yourself.
4th: Read, Read, Read


Mac vs PC:

Both have their issues, trust me. I know an equal amount of people that want to take a baseball bat to their Mac or PC depending on the day you talk to them.

To go Mac like a Hack can be done with various systems. I did it with an amazing board, EVGA Classified E760. This board is built to withstand liquid nitrogen cooling.

To do this I read, a lot. I became the member of probably 8 different new forums. You have to learn about terminal, plists, hex code and dsl's.

After all my experience if I were to do it again I would choose a Gigabyte board. Why? They are the absolute easiest to Hack. You can now get modified bios's to make it even work smoother.
__________________________________________
Bottom line, OC'ing is awesome-- I now have a PC and an MAC sharing the same case. Who said MAC and PC couldn't be friends, LOL.
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You mentioned Evga though and they are a hot topic with their new dual i7 board (with SLI!) but it's HPX (bigger than EEATX) so everyone's talking cases.
Frankly, I'm feeling like it might be safer to go Supermicro, the top Xeons and no OC or SLI but I'm still reading and reading... For CS5 and the future it's more the issue of having SLI for speedy rendering that keeps me from pulling the trigger...
 
LarryMcPhereson said:
You mentioned Evga though and they are a hot topic with their new dual i7 board (with SLI!) but it's HPX (bigger than EEATX) so everyone's talking cases.
Frankly, I'm feeling like it might be safer to go Supermicro, the top Xeons and no OC or SLI but I'm still reading and reading... For CS5 and the future it's more the issue of having SLI for speedy rendering that keeps me from pulling the trigger...
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CS5 still DOESN'T Support SLI configurations NOR Tesla cards..
 
Mohammed El Sharqawy said:
CS5 still DOESN'T Support SLI configurations NOR Tesla cards..
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This is why I am leaning towards a safe relatively powerful Supermicro rig but when you spend this kind of money, one must (at least) seriously consider going down the road that will allow the greatest future rendering speeds. Goodbye to Mac/FCP for now...

However, the Evga will allow for both OC and SLI and the CS5 Mercury engine certainly has the potential. Frankly even Evga's single CPU mobo is tempting, very tempting to me for a first build just to learn because I could spend less, be expandable and almost certainly handle most tasks without the major chassis expense and headaches. I hear the board is roomier than Gigabyte and will certainly consider it and love to hear more about that one! AMD is just going to be too slow for me.
 
Tom Lowe said:
I just had a friend build me a 4.1GHz overclocked 6-core i7 Gulftown PC with 12GB DDR3 1600MHz, a kick-ass 128GB Intel SSD, etc, for like 3 grand. Same system would have cost me over $6,000 at Alienware, and it would have been a slower overclock and slower RAM. A similar Mac would probably be more like $8,000 (if Macs even had Gultown CPUs now).

Right now it has a GTX 285, but I will replace it with a Fermi card soon. Red files are smooth as wet ice in Premiere Pro timeline.
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Sounds like a good working system with the 1600 DDR3 (gotta like that!) but... which mobo did you go with? Also why GTX 285 as opposed to say FX3800 for the planned resale/upgrade? Was that just an up front price consideration? Did you use the savings toward a higher end case for cooling considerations or are you thinking about micro refrigeration going this route?

As a matter of course, I enjoy reading and discussing builds leading with the mobo before the CPU etc. because it reflects designer choices as opposed to simply specifications...
 
if SLI would be supported.. I just get the GTX 480 as it will be supported soon from adobe then buy another when they start supporting SLI.. while my mobo allow for it..
Dave Helmly from adobe said this baby will give you the performance of the big 5800..
imagine when you have two..

also thinking for CPUs.. the i7 970 (3.2GHz 6-CORE) is coming soon.. that will be a mid priced around $560 .. of course it will score at least %50 more performance than the new 6-CORE phenoms from AMD.. while it might be slower than the 980X but.. that's half price cut..
 
Mohammed El Sharqawy said:
if SLI would be supported.. I just get the GTX 480 as it will be supported soon from adobe then buy another when they start supporting SLI.. while my mobo allow for it..
Dave Helmly from adobe said this baby will give you the performance of the big 5800..
imagine when you have two..

also thinking for CPUs.. the i7 970 (3.2GHz 6-CORE) is coming soon.. that will be a mid priced around $560 .. of course it will score at least %50 more performance than the new 6-CORE phenoms from AMD.. while it might be slower than the 980X but.. that's half price cut..
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Wow! Did not hear that about the GTX 480 but really good to know. Thank you! This makes an Evga build with only one i7 980 an even greater temptation and even harder to decide which to go with when I stack it up against a dual Xeon Supermicro build. An i7 970 won't tempt me as I like every report I get on Supermicro quality with six core Xeons but I'm pretty sure it will cost a fair bit more while still at 1300 4 stick and doesn't support SLI expansion. Still it does support a load of PCI slots and tons of RAM! Time to itemize, regroup and research the Evga mobo size to check the fit with a Zalman Z machine LQ chassis! It really might be the very best bang. Very cool! Anybody have any other favorite mobos they think stack up well against Evga? I may have to double check the Gigabyte(s) again too...Best!
 
the video of David Helmly is here:
about 3:33 to 4:02 .. speaking about the 5800, 470 and 480..
http://www.vimeo.com/10935283


long time ago, I was in love with the supermicro and tyan mobos..
but when the X58 platform was introduced.. I totally forgot about what they are offering..

for X58.. you got lot of scalability options..

your Zalman Chassis is a nice option.. I always though water cooling should be integrated into the chassis.

if you think of Gigabyte.. take a look at the UD7.. its the best of what they offer..
Gigabyte mobos are built with 2 OZ copper pcb, all solid capacitors and cooling silent pipe etc.. good build quality..
 
Mohammed El Sharqawy said:
the video of David Helmly is here:
about 3:33 to 4:02 .. speaking about the 5800, 470 and 480..
http://www.vimeo.com/10935283


long time ago, I was in love with the supermicro and tyan mobos..
but when the X58 platform was introduced.. I totally forgot about what they are offering..

for X58.. you got lot of scalability options..

your Zalman Chassis is a nice option.. I always though water cooling should be integrated into the chassis.

if you think of Gigabyte.. take a look at the UD7.. its the best of what they offer..
Gigabyte mobos are built with 2 OZ copper pcb, all solid capacitors and cooling silent pipe etc.. good build quality..
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Really great feedback as I checked out specs on the Gigabyte x58 UD 7! I knew in advance I would never settle for a board that would take less than 24 gigs of Ram and this is an advanced ATX board built for the future but not outside the "box" or case/chassis which has become a serious (marketing?) issue. I will definitely design my next virtual build with this board and the Zalman Z machine LQ chassis in mind for i7 980. Right now I'm thinking this is probably the better build to buy and test. Really smart, thanks again!
 
Mohammed El Sharqawy said:
the video of David Helmly is here:

your Zalman Chassis is a nice option.. I always though water cooling should be integrated into the chassis.

if you think of Gigabyte.. take a look at the UD7.. its the best of what they offer..
Gigabyte mobos are built with 2 OZ copper pcb, all solid capacitors and cooling silent pipe etc.. good build quality..
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If you choose the right Gigabyte board you will have a PC/Mac in one box easy as pie. I agree with Mohammed about the Gig mobos, they are nice.

Here is a link to the article on the custom bios I mentioned:
http://www.insanelymac.com/custom-bios-allows-for-mac-on-your-without-dsdt/

One thing to keep in mind is that Intel will always put out a lower model that easily OC's. Thats why I went with the DO 920.
 
Shawn P said:
If you choose the right Gigabyte board you will have a PC/Mac in one box easy as pie. I agree with Mohammed about the Gig mobos, they are nice.

Here is a link to the article on the custom bios I mentioned:
http://www.insanelymac.com/custom-bios-allows-for-mac-on-your-without-dsdt/

One thing to keep in mind is that Intel will always put out a lower model that easily OC's. Thats why I went with the DO 920.
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I totally failed installing the mac osx on my UD4P while I find it supported in the OSX86 hardware compatibility list.. it needs a lot of settings that will ruin your system.. like AHCI.. I use raid..
The X58-UD7 is also listed in the 10.6.2 HCL:
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL_10.6.2

only one thing I don't like about the Gigabyte mobos... the startup time of the bios.. it eats like (not exactly sure) 20 secs of startup.. but also don't know how other brands perform on that..

do you think intel will make better stepping 970 after they release it? so I don't fall in this issue again.. my 920 is C0.. I got early when it was first shipped.. maybe I have to wait more on the 970?
 
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