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Softening Womens face and facial hairs

the 35 i have is very gentle for some reason, I know its not a complete overhaul, but it does not have the same still lens "feel" (sharpness) as the other lenses I have, I find it really forgiving, could be the light, who knows!

I shot some today at 8K with vintage nikon, leica r and the mlivus so I will see whats what

Steve
 
Gillette can u get u there in a sec ;-) nothing like a female werewolf showing it's true face under high res ! ;-)))

on set: avoid side profile shots or the whiskers will show !!! I've done plenty of behind the lens net shots... This was so cool on the R1 body, as u had so much room to place the net there... Not anymore since Epic body... It was quite beautiful though if u got the right stocking....

post: manual fix (clone etc), high freq sep, sapphire s_beauty, beauty box... For the last 2: play with the settings a lot, the default is usually too much, do NOT over do it... baselight has a very effective built-in softening tool....


and naturally: lock ur doors on a full moon !!!
 
hey everyone thanks for the advice, what is happening is I do event films (weddings) and I only use natural light, part of the reason I have gone with RED, I was hoping for a softening filter, but it seems my techinique is the issue, I will regroup for the next event. I have a feeling the epix w with a 90mm leica is pretty unforgiven!

Mike LOL!

Steve
 
You could try the trick that Russell Boyd used on Picnic at Hanging Rock, which was placing fine wedding veil over the front of the lens. There is clip of him talking about this here (scroll down):

http://www.nfsa.gov.au/visit-us/exhibitions-presentations/picnic-at-hanging-rock-exhibition/

They used Panavision cameras and lenses, but I'm not sure which series of lens they used. They were spherical, in any case.

This film astonishes me every time I think about it, for many reasons. Its cinematography is as beautiful as it is simple.
 
I used to have the absolute full range of Filters, 10k plus worth of them... :)

But with the swap to Digital and working with RAW I ended up selling all of them...

Fast-forward to today and several projects done while working all various Filtering options in Post at the only exception of Polarization, and the recent move to 50MP's+ Still cameras and 8k VV FF & s35 RED cameras and my view and usage of Filtration has changed again...

Been preparing for a long time for what it will be a long running Huge project "8kVentuRED" all shooting in 8k, even the shot in DSLR are done at a minimum with a Canon 5DsR and move to the Hasselblad and Has One cameras offering 8000+ Pixels Horizontally.

And after testing and seen results, I have decided that we'll make use of the Polarize Filters, but also of "TWO" other filters:

The Schneider Hollywood Black Magic 1/4 & 1/8 to be used alternatively on the scenes, even the same ones at different Focal, and at times actually sticking them together upside down for an even stronger effect with a difference in the rendering instead of going to the 1 (full) with a singularity type of diffusion and also a bit too strong for my taste unless you really are looking for a super Dreamy look.

But for especially pleasing Skin softening in a fashionable way without making it look gummy and plastic like, this two filters is what I have chosen after testing alternative ones, mostly because this are basically a combo of Promist Black and Softening filters and work great with what I have been shooting and will shoot on the RED 8k cams.

This was one of the tests shot on the Canon 5DsR with the Sigma 24-35 Art.

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I think it's important to talk with the make up artist, the makeup needs to go on the skin without thickening the hair. As the makeup clings to the hair, it kind of "thickens" the hair, reminds me of baldish guys that spray junk on their peach fuzz type hair and it thickens it. So for me it's less of removing female hair and more of a makeup problem where in the past they didn't worry about thickening the hair while while applying it to the skin.
 
Steve DiMaggio said:
aint no hair there Ketch!
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Elsie N said:
not now. '-)
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Brody_B said:
haah!
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You guys...

Fact remains that some times it is exactly NOT the lighting or exposure/aperture but in fact the Make Up itself that makes the otherwise almost infeasible Facial Hair stand out... Full of microscopic particles... And that I don't stand for.

In motion it is some what easier to stomach but in Still it's a different story, that Pose is Frozen right in front of you, and it will let you observe closely in detail and show every single one of them...

So in Cinematography I now try to treat it similar as if I was shooting for stills... But some times some girls they really have lot's of it, and actually "LESS" make up and more on camera filtration is needed.
 
I have a weird trick for you that may or may not help... ("one weird trick", Am I right? - sounds like those clickbait sponsored content)

When you are rendering out your particular closeup clip with the offending facial hair...

try doing a render at 1/2 or even (gasp) 1/4 debayer, and try playing with the different scaling algorithms (Lanczos vs Ball, etc.) for smoother downscale vs sharper downscale...
 
Dan Kanes said:
When you are rendering out your particular closeup clip with the offending facial hair... try doing a render at 1/2 or even (gasp) 1/4 debayer, and try playing with the different scaling algorithms (Lanczos vs Ball, etc.) for smoother downscale vs sharper downscale...
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I don't agree with this idea, for the simple reason that a) you're introducing the potential for aliasing in the picture, and b) the entire picture is going to get softer. The key is to only soften the skin itself, and for that you need skill, time, masks, and defocus. You want the hair, eyes, lips, background, and costume to all remain sharp.
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
You guys...

Fact remains that some times it is exactly NOT the lighting or exposure/aperture but in fact the Make Up itself that makes the otherwise almost infeasible Facial Hair stand out... Full of microscopic particles... And that I don't stand for.

In motion it is some what easier to stomach but in Still it's a different story, that Pose is Frozen right in front of you, and it will let you observe closely in detail and show every single one of them...

So in Cinematography I now try to treat it similar as if I was shooting for stills... But some times some girls they really have lot's of it, and actually "LESS" make up and more on camera filtration is needed.
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Ketch your so right, I have met with these girls before and never saw anything offending, once the wedding day make up gets caked on its a total nother ballgame
 
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