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REDCine and Window 7 64 bit RC 1

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I installed Windows 7 on my 64 bit system and works very well for most things. I did install REDCine latest build on there and it doesn't work. What you get is a screen that looks like its out of sync or something, all the characters are garbled to the point (on my 1920 x 1200 monitor) that you can't read or do anything. Just have to guess where the exit is or use task manager to kill the program. The same copy installs and runs fine on my Vista 64 Ultimate partition so I know its not a corrupted copy of REDCine. I'm sure they probably haven't looked at this yet but its probably something simple since it does run on Vista 64 and most things I've seen do run on both. Anyone else try on Windows 7 latest download beta yet?
 
Hum..
W7 .. it's still in beta
 
Win7 is supposedly being re-built from the ground up to increase security and it moves many hardware access points and various abstraction layers to different levels of interaction with the system kernel. The graphics layer is still in flux and I know there are lots of issues with current software that makes use of direct hardware access and GPU functions.

As Kwan said... It's still in beta. IMO, I think Microsoft has some real cajones to even call the current releases "beta". More like "alpha" from my point of view. Then again, I also don't think it's this huge earth-shattering, ground-up re-write we're being promised, either...
 
I know Win 7 is in Beta (RC 1) as I said in the last sentence of my first post. This was mainly just to see if anyone else tried it yet.

Please note though that Vegas 9 which is fairly complex in its workings functions very well (at least for me in Windows 7) so I haven't found it all that rough. Playing back 4K files, rendering to HD, etc. All working. I also have SAWStudio, a complex audio multitrack program that was mostly designed for Win 32 XP working in Windows 7 as well.

So far, REDCine is the only thing I've found that doesn't work for me in Win7 and my guess is they've done something special in the way they write to the screen so yes mainly a graphics layer thing.
 
Works perfectly here with Windows 7 RC1 x64. I have just built a new, kick arse system but the part you'll be most interested in is that the video card is an Nvidia GTX260 using the newest WHQL drivers for Windows 7.

More on my new system soon once I stabilise its overclocking potential and can post some hard numbers.

For what it's worth, I was NOT a fan of Vista at all but they really do seem to have upped the ante with this version. RC is perfectly stable and lightning fast (on my admittedly new system, though my old system was a Quad Core also....).

HTH

Paul
 
Yes thanks Paul, that is interesting and the kind of thing I was looking for. So, maybe the graphic card drivers. I am using a Leadtek GTX 285 with drivers that Windows 7 installed as they seemed to be fine for everything else. So, maybe something to do with that. My system's new too. Didn't even have to install the motherboard drivers that came with the Gigabyte motherboard like you normally have to. Everything fast but actually not really all that faster than Vista 64 which I have tuned and working well.

On my Vista 64 system REDCine works perfectly but I am using the graphics drivers that came with my graphics card. Better try that...
 
Thanks, that fixed it, but I didn't even have to do anything other than look at the Win 7 update feature and they had an nvidia driver in there waiting for me to download and install. So, now it works as well as it does in Vista 64. I'm going to try and stay on Windows 7 as long as its as stable as it is now so everything like this running on the same operating system where I don't have to reboot to another partition is great.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Win7 is supposedly being re-built from the ground up to increase security and it moves many hardware access points and various abstraction layers to different levels of interaction with the system kernel. The graphics layer is still in flux and I know there are lots of issues with current software that makes use of direct hardware access and GPU functions.

As Kwan said... It's still in beta. IMO, I think Microsoft has some real cajones to even call the current releases "beta". More like "alpha" from my point of view. Then again, I also don't think it's this huge earth-shattering, ground-up re-write we're being promised, either...
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That's pretty unnerving, it really ought to be a little more nailed down at this point since it's moved from beta to release candidate they're targeting a holiday release.
 
I guess it is more pinned-down than I had realized. I still have a couple betas running on systems here that pre-date RC1. Somehow I've missed RC1, my bad. I have it up and running on a workstation now. Still some bugs there that have been reported by official testers and discussed in various forums. But seems a bit more "together". The whole thing just feels like a Vista service pack to me and not this huge upgrade, some of Vista's nagging issues are still there. I'll still say that I think they're premature in going to the RC stage. But when are they not?
 
The whole thing just feels like a Vista service pack to me and not this huge upgrade,
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A new OS version is an evolution. For Win7, it goes like this: NT 3.5-> NT 3.51, -> NT 4 -> Win2k -> XP -> Win 2003 -> (MCE) -> Vista -> Win7.

In parallel you have the other Windows code base. Win 1.0 -> Win 2.0 -> Win 3.0 -> Win 3.1 -> WFW 3.11 -> Win95 -> Win98 -> Win98 SE -> WinMe. There was also some gold edition for OEMs, but I forget if that was Win95 or Win98.

A litmus test of Vista vs. Win7 is on a Netbook. Performance and app compat were two large areas of focus for Win7.
 
I realize it's an evolution. I guess you could say that I'm just dogging on Microsoft's marketing. Although, they're not hyping up Win7 to the point they hyped Vista. Which I think that's a big reason why Vista met with such a dismal industry response. I personally like Vista and have had no problems to speak of with it. My only complaints are their inability to trim the fat and deliver a more streamlined OS. Although, Win7 is their best attempt at this yet, ever.

Other than that, I get tired of the perpetuation of their whole kernel model and it's overly-vulnerable architecture. Then again, I don't see how Microsoft could migrate away from that. At this point, they could face another antitrust law suit from the industry if they initiated a new OS design that rendered all those anti-virus softwares obsolete. Not to mention the industry backlash when the majority of poorly-written applications out there would no longer function. I think Microsoft also puts too much effort into backward compatibility, but that ball has been in motion for a long time and it would be hard to stop it from rolling now. Eventually they will have to migrate to a new design, hopefully that comes sooner than later.
 
When you have such a huge legacy of software out there, its a bit hard to break with the past. Apple got away with it sort of when they transitioned to Intel some years ago, but then they have a small market share compared to Windows. Its amazing just how well even some of the oldest windows programs still run on the newer platforms.

It would be a major league thing for some of the large corporate customers out there to replace all their software thanks to a completely new operating system. Think of all those machines to buy new licenses of everything for. And I'm sure many software vendors from Intuit to Sony wouldn't be all that thrilled with a complete rewrite of their apps.

What would be great to happen, for the video market at least, is some enterprising people write some great video/audio apps for linux and perhaps that could at least help us along with a transition for our small market (and yes its a small market compared to the market for accounting systems or spreadsheets).

I will say after a retuning of both Vista and Win 7, I have no complaints in performance or reliability on my new machine.
 
It's hardly a beta. I've been running it on all of my home machines. I've only had one program that has serious issues (PowerDVD HD) Everything else has gone pretty much swimmingly.

It's also far from a Service Pack. It's only a service pack if you have some bizzaro world definition of a service pack. To me a service pack fixes bugs. Adds a trinket or two and rolls in some security updates.

This is as much an upgrade as 2000 -> XP. The measure of an update is how easy it is to go back to the previous version and on that front I am constantly dissapointed with XP and Vista when I have to leave my Windows7 Install. It adds tons of things which I use every day and makes my life easier. And its media management system is worlds better. It's 2 years of polish. Something I'm always glad to see. Sometimes the best upgrades are where a lot of work goes into making existing features work better. Which isn't to say there isn't a ton of new good stuff.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I realize it's an evolution. I guess you could say that I'm just dogging on Microsoft's marketing. Although, they're not hyping up Win7 to the point they hyped Vista. Which I think that's a big reason why Vista met with such a dismal industry response. I personally like Vista and have had no problems to speak of with it. My only complaints are their inability to trim the fat and deliver a more streamlined OS. Although, Win7 is their best attempt at this yet, ever.

Other than that, I get tired of the perpetuation of their whole kernel model and it's overly-vulnerable architecture. Then again, I don't see how Microsoft could migrate away from that. At this point, they could face another antitrust law suit from the industry if they initiated a new OS design that rendered all those anti-virus softwares obsolete. Not to mention the industry backlash when the majority of poorly-written applications out there would no longer function. I think Microsoft also puts too much effort into backward compatibility, but that ball has been in motion for a long time and it would be hard to stop it from rolling now. Eventually they will have to migrate to a new design, hopefully that comes sooner than later.
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Well, this thread is digressing, but you couldn't be farther from the truth regarding the NT-based kernel model. It's one of the more elegant and secure architectures around.

Much of the pain associated with wondows comes from: 1) The user-mode stuff originally running in too privileged an account; 2) Having to support a ginormous 3rd party hardware base; and 3) trying hard not to break a huge install base of existing software.

These are hard things, and MS certainly shares some of the blame for #1.

But the NT kernel rocks. Seriously.
 
Stacey Spears said:
A new OS version is an evolution. For Win7, it goes like this: NT 3.5-> NT 3.51, -> NT 4 -> Win2k -> XP -> Win 2003 -> (MCE) -> Vista -> Win7.

In parallel you have the other Windows code base. Win 1.0 -> Win 2.0 -> Win 3.0 -> Win 3.1 -> WFW 3.11 -> Win95 -> Win98 -> Win98 SE -> WinMe. There was also some gold edition for OEMs, but I forget if that was Win95 or Win98.

A litmus test of Vista vs. Win7 is on a Netbook. Performance and app compat were two large areas of focus for Win7.
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Stacey, where's the WinNT3.1 love??

(Altho I will forgive the OS/2 2.0 omission, as at that point it was still a character-mode work in process running on MIPS dev boxes...) :cool:

-Steve
 
I just installed Win7 RC and RedCine is running no problem.
 
Paul Leeming said:
Works perfectly here with Windows 7 RC1 x64. I have just built a new, kick arse system but the part you'll be most interested in is that the video card is an Nvidia GTX260 using the newest WHQL drivers for Windows 7.

More on my new system soon once I stabilise its overclocking potential and can post some hard numbers.
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It'll be very interesting to see what sort of performance you can get. What version of the GTX260 do you have? I was thinking of sourcing a 192SP version and installing the FX4800 drivers. Any thoughts on this?
 
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