Red Dragon Info and Data Sheets

[Phil Holland]

Greetings everybody. As official information comes in regarding Dragon I'll be posting links to that info and uploading some useful graphics to help visualize Dragon's feature set right here in the first post of this thread.

** Updated 10/20/2014


Dragon Models and Pricing:
- Epic Carbon Dragon **: price = $50,000, availability = Shipping now!
- Epic-M Dragon: price = $29,000, availability = Upgrades currently happening!
- Epic-X Dragon: price = $24,000, availability = Upgrades soon and some have happened. New Brains soon.
- Epic-M Monochrome Dragon: price = $31,500 (Brain Only), availability = Shipping now!
- Scarlet Dragon: price = $14,500 (Brain Only), availability = Shipping now!

** The Epic Carbon Dragon features a carbon fiber exterior, magnesium alloy internal frame, and magnesium PL mount. The combination of these things shaves exactly 1 pound off the camera body's weight. Note there are now Magnesium Lens Mounts for Canon EF, Nikon F, and Leica M as well.


Epic Upgrade Options:
- Epic-M owners can pre-order the upgrade for $9500
- Early Red adopters can pre-order for $9500 and receive a $1000 store credit when invoiced.
- Epic-X owners can pre-order their upgrade at $9500 4/11/2013.
- New Epic-M Dragon cameras will be sold for $29K, pre-orders now. Ships after Epic-M owners have had their chance to upgrade.
- Epic-X Dragon cameras will be priced at $24K, shipping and release information unknown at this time.
- It is possible to upgrade to an Epic Carbon Dragon for $19,750. Contact your Bomb Squad Rep as this is a special process.


Scarlet Upgrade Options:
- Trade in your Scarlet-X to upgrade to Epic-X with the Mysterium-X sensor for $9500. Upgrade your Epic-X to Full Epic Dragon for an additional $9500.
- Upgrade the Scarlet-X to Scarlet Dragon for $9500. Scarlet Dragon will be a 5K, 60fps camera.
- Upgrade your Scarlet-X straight to Epic Dragon for $19,000.
- Pre-orders for upgrades begin Thursday, upgrades start in July.
- Scarlet Dragon price and availability TBD.
* There are no plans to be able to upgrade from Scarlet Dragon to Epic Dragon at this time.


Other information:
- Is the Red One eligable to upgrade to Dragon? No. Epic was the upgrade path for the Red One. (source)


What Does the Epic Dragon Upgrade Include?
Learn more here: https://support.red.com/entries/23769427-What-does-the-EPIC-RED-DRAGON-upgrade-include-


Official Red Dragon FAQ
https://support.red.com/categories/20105758-RED-DRAGON

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Red Dragon - What is 6K?

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Red Dragon - Multi-Format System

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Red Dragon - Format Aspect Ratios

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Red Dragon - ISO / FLUT Breakdown

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Red Dragon - ISO Examples

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Red Dragon - Film Relevance




A quick look at the Sensor Chart too. Notably Red's Mysterium-X Sensor at 5K FF falls just within Dragon 5.5K.

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Red Dragon - GUI Overview

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Red Dragon - Black Shade, Temp, and Fan Info

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Red Dragon - On Screen Exposure Tools

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Red Dragon - In Camera Exposure Tools

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Red Dragon - Focus and White Balance

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Red Dragon - REDCODE RAW and REDMAG Info

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Red Dragon - Anamorphic Shooting

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Red Dragon - Format Key 2014

I have split up the Format Key into two pages. 6K-4K and 3.5K-2K. There's a good deal of productions now shooting at 4K and up for a 4K finish and they may only need the first page.

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Red Dragon Record Times 24fps 256GB REDMAG



* note - Record times are for a stock 256GB REDMAG and don't reflect the additional REDCODE Compression Ratios available on the 512GB REDMAG and other high speed media cards.

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Red Dragon Interchangeable OLPFS

 

[Brad Allen]

Thanks for doing this Phil,

As always, your effort and presence on the forum is truly appreciated

Edit: just a heads up that the source for the new color science seems to be pointing to an invalid link.

 

[Bob Gundu]

Nice. I look forward to the pages growing.

 

[Jon Carr]

Thank you very much for taking the time to do this. This has everything that was asked and answered to. Thanks again.

 

[Paul Ellington]

Looking good Phil - should be a wild ride!

 

[Doug Beatty]

Nice post as usual, Phil.

 

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

Thanks for doing this Phil. You are on the hunt for the 1,000,000 questions.

May I ask where the 30.7x15.8 came from? Your link shows Jannard saying 30x15.8. Curious because I've never seen the 30.7 number and that makes a considerable difference to me, as I'm doing Pythagorean theorem calculations to see what the image circles will be to cover.

-ryan

 

[Roger Johansen]

A wild ride!! and a whole new world of possibilities. THANKS RED !!!

 

[Phil Holland]

May I ask where the 30.7x15.8 came from? Your link shows Jannard saying 30x15.8. Curious because I've never seen the 30.7 number and that makes a considerable difference to me, as I'm doing Pythagorean theorem calculations to see what the image circles will be to cover.

It does make a difference for sure. I did the calculation based on the pixel's micron size and it was confirmed in August by Jarred in that summary post I made, the other source cited. That's correct as far as I know at the moment. If we're talking square pixels and that calculation is correct than the size listed makes sense.

I've already made a coverage chart for the expected formats, but since the format's haven't been officially "locked down" I don't think it's a good idea to release them just yet because anything can change. The key bits are what's being shown on the Red Dragon and Film Formats graphic. The diagonal on 6K Full would be 34.54mm with the sensor size above.


**edit, found the post.

10% larger both ways is a good ballpark... 30.7mm x 15.8mm

 

[Sean Cruser]

this is great and i can't wait for there to be even MORE to add...

 

[Jeff Zueger]

Phil's charts rule.

 

[Daniel Soderberg]

Thanks for the info Phil!
I believe on one of the latest posts from Red, they said that the Scarlet will not be upgradable to Dragon sensor anymore, but there will be a trade in program from Scarlet to Epic Dragon now.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Dragon sensor was announced to be native ISO 1000. I believe the Monochrome Epic without the color passes is native ISO 2000.

 

[Phil Holland]

Thanks for the info Phil!
I believe on one of the latest posts from Red, they said that the Scarlet will not be upgradable to Dragon sensor anymore, but there will be a trade in program from Scarlet to Epic Dragon now.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Dragon sensor was announced to be native ISO 1000. I believe the Monochrome Epic without the color passes is native ISO 2000.

Correct. I'll change the wording to "upgrade path". Graeme is better at explaining the whole native ISO thing and what's wrong with that concept.

There will of course be an optimal place to shoot to get a "clean" image. Jim's words:

I don't think there is anything left in the "native ISO" thinking. You can shoot ISO 100 to 12,800 depending on how much noise you can tolerate.

I think "ideal" will be somewhere between ISO 400 and 2000.

 

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

It does make a difference for sure. I did the calculation based on the pixel's micron size and it was confirmed in August by Jarred in that summary post I made, the other source cited. That's correct as far as I know at the moment. If we're talking square pixels and that calculation is correct than the size listed makes sense.

I've already made a coverage chart for the expected formats, but since the format's haven't been officially "locked down" I don't think it's a good idea to release them just yet because anything can change. The key bits are what's being shown on the Red Dragon and Film Formats graphic. The diagonal on 6K Full would be 34.54mm with the sensor size above.

Haha, yeah. 34.51 is what I got with my math, and if 30 (not 30.7) it would be 33.8 or something.

Seems you're way ahead of the game haha. Nice work.

 

[Bobby Farokhzad]

This is very useful, thank you for sharing this with us Phil.

 

[Antonio Forjaz]

Thanks for putting all the info in one place. this is great. Thanks Phil

 

[Nick Morrison]

Rats, I was hoping 3K would cover S16mm perfectly. I guess it won't. It will porthole/vignette slightly. Phil what do you think the best way to shoot 16mm and S16 glass will be?

 

[William Albertini]

Thanks Phil, this is great. I hate thread mining so it is wonderful to have this info in one place.

 

[Phil Holland]

Cheers everybody. Can't wait to add the other stuff once it's more of a "sure thang".

Rats, I was hoping 3K would cover S16mm perfectly. I guess it won't. It will porthole/vignette slightly. Phil what do you think the best way to shoot 16mm and S16 glass will be?

I think this is going to be one of those "you'll need to try out some lenses and see what works". I believe several S16 lenses will actually cover 3K, but some won't for sure. For instance the Zeiss 16mm MK3 Super Speed has an image circle of 19.4mm and that should cover 3K Dragon safely.

 

[SUNILPREM]

Very helpful info Phil...........Thank you very much