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Did you just order a R1 or are you considering it, and are full of questions?

Ask away in this thread.

Thankfully many of us have already climbed up that hill of knowledge, and the path is much clearer now than a few years back, and I'll hope that many join in with their wisdom, experiences and advice.


First some general tips.

RED 101 hosts a couple of instructional videos.

You can download the R1 Operations guide to familiarize yourself with this beast.

A good book to get you started is RED: The Ultimate Guide to Using the Revolutionary Camera

Reduser Jay A. Kelly runs the Infotech Academy with many useful videos and more.

Reduser is full of information, but the search engine is crap. Use a customized google search (tinyurl.com/reduser) or simply enter "site:reduser.net" before your search term. That way you'll get better results.

When buying used, be wary of scammers. If an offer sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

The Red Centre (now simply called RC) is a great podcast around digital cinematography. If you listen to the earlier episodes, you will get lots of great R1 specific info.


What do you need?

Besides the Body, you'll need power, media, optics, monitoring and support.

Power: You can either use batteries or mains; For batteries most people use V-lock mounted batteries. RED makes the Bricks, but there are other 3rd party providers, such as IDX, Globalmediapro to name just two that spring to mind. The alternative to V-lock is Anton Bauer mount, or short AB. Just a different way of attaching the battery to the mount. Some prefer the AB's robustness, others like the V-lock's speed. The R1 is quite power hungry, so be sure to get pleny of Watthours. And don't forget the charger - there are single, sequential and parallel ones. Sequential charge one battery after the other, and while lighter and cheaper, might not be good for you if you need all batteries charged while you are sleeping. Some batteries do not transmit their charge status to the R1 - in which case you can still use them, you just won't get a warning when they come close to being empty. Be careful about buying used batteries, as you don't know how they've been handled, and how much life is left in them.
If you plan on travelling by plane, be aware at certain restrictions in regards to LiIon batteries.
When powering the camera by battery, you'll also need a battery plate that holds and connects the battery to the camera.

Media: The R1s nowadays come equipped with SSD ports, so that you can use any of REDs current media, from 48gig to 512gig. You will probably find the prices steep, but keep in mind that the media has undergone extensive test to ensure that you won't lose a frame in your most important shot. While no longer produced, you can still get 320gig and 640gig RED Drives. These allow for longer run times, but being spinning, are prone to dropouts when the camera is moving. There are 3rd party solutions that minimize those problems (or simply wrapping the drives in layers of cloth and gaffer tape).
You might also get hold of a used Compact Flash Card port for the R1 (as they originally shipped in), which allows you to use 4, 8 and 16gig CF cards. But only RED and certain types of Lexar 4gig and 8gig drives allow for full speed recording. Other makes will be limited to smaller speeds/sizes.
Also, have a good backup system in place. Ideally, you should have at least three copies of all your footage on at least two different types of media in at least two different geographic locations. The most used media for now is spinning disks and tape (LTO-3 and above).

Optics: The R1 comes standard with a PL mount, a very robust mount that has long been the standard for 35mm film production. Lenses tend to be expensive, and they are all manual. You can buy cheaper, older lenses, but of course the quality varies. Thankfully, there are options that allow you to use Nikon, Canon and other stills lenses. See here for an overview of options.

Monitoring: RED offers both a viewfinder and a LCD screen; you can run both at the same time, just be careful to plug each into the proper plug. It is also possible to drive 3rd party monitors/EVFs, but they won't give you the added functions that RED's solution have. That said, many have started by running a simple small LCD screen off the R1, and bought better solutions once they could afford it.
For sound monitoring, you'll just need a pair of good headphones. You can listen to all four channels simultaneously.

Support: While you can screw your tripod directly onto the R1, it is not ideal, as you most likely won't be able to balance it. RED includes a decent solution in their Base Production Pack.
Be sure to get a tripod and fluid head that can support a fitted out R1. A Manfrotto 501 won't do. There are plenty of older threads about this. Good heads and legs cost money.

Post
There are people on this board that are much more knowledgeable about the post workflow than me, so let me just say that processing the R3D files is much easier than some people would make you believe. All major editing systems now allow native editing of R3D raw footage. Most current computers will give you a decent performance, obviously you can boost these by having a powerful processor and a RED Rocket card. I can still use by 2008 Macbook Pro to work on my files. RED provides a great tool for working with your files, RED Cine-X Pro, at a highly affordable price.
 
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Thanks Martin!

First question.... Does the 48GB SSD work with the R1? The product page says it's "tailored for the data rates of the SCARLET-X camera."
 
These allow for longer run times, but being spinning, are prone to dropouts when the camera is moving.

How bad are the drives at dropping frames? I'm considering a used drive and a 64GB SSD to start out with, but would hate to deal with dropped frames. Ideally I'd use the SSD when the camera is on my shoulder, and the drive for interview and other tripod shots. But, would it function if I had the camera on my shoulder for a simple handheld shot?
 
Thanks, Martin, this is great. One quick note, the old RED ONE Base Production Pack is not longer available. Most people have switched the Quick Release Platform system with even the RED ONE these days...

* QRP (Dovetail) with short or long dovetail
* QRP (Bolt on)*

In conjunction with:

* RED ONE Riser Pack
* RED ONE Low-Pro Plate

For a top handle, they are using this to take advantage of our SWAT rail system.

BC
 
Nice Martin.

I'm going to oddly quote myself here, but here's the record times on a RedMag 64GB.

I didn't include the R1 record times in the RQRG as the guide is focused on the DSMC models (Epic and Scarlet), but this is what you're looking for:

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[td][/td]
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[td]RedCode
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[td]8:1[/td]
[td]9:1[/td]
[td]10:1[/td]
[td]11:1[/td]
[td]12:1[/td]
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[td]4.5K[/td]
[td]30[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]37[/td]
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I may construct a Red One Quick Guide that will be similar to the Epic/Scarlet one I created. (That's if you guys want it)

In the meantime, the "relative crop factor" from FF35 of 4.5K is approximately 1.54x.
 
Nice Martin.

I'm going to oddly quote myself here, but here's the record times on a RedMag 64GB.




I may construct a Red One Quick Guide that will be similar to the Epic/Scarlet one I created. (That's if you guys want it)

In the meantime, the "relative crop factor" from FF35 of 4.5K is approximately 1.54x.

Thanks Martin and Phil! Yeah Phil, a quick guide would be great! As far as the crop factor goes, is that roughly the same as the 7D? I have one lying around so if they're comparable I might use it for a light and easy way of framing up the next shot.

Martin, you've got me a bit worried when you say while you can mount the R1 to a tripod, it's hard to balance it without some other support. I'll just be using a fairly basic setup - R1 with Nikon primes, perhaps Tokina 11-16 as my heaviest lens, small HD monitor and AC adapter, will I run into trouble with that setup and if so, what would be the cheapest way of balancing it.

THANKS
 
Hi, This is a great Thread.

Anyway I had to rush a Loan and got enough to order -

RED MX
Media pack
Ac power
48gb Card.

I Just ordered a 2 channel charger with 2 130w V mount lithium batteries. Then it hit me that I don't have a rig or battery belt clip so I don't think I have a way to use the batteries?? any cheap alternatives or is the Battery belt clip the best bet?

Also looking at some monitors (again for cheap as it is just to get me started) and seen some that say (max) supported resolution is 1920 x 1440. They will still work with the RED ONE won't they once I have HDMI connections? Again going to get a better monitor over the coming months, just need one to let me see image, menu's and exposure etc?

Thanks

James
 
There are a number of third party suppliers that make V-lock mounts specifically for the R1, besides RED's own offerings. You need the V-lock mount itself, then some way of connecting the mount to the camera (usually either via 19mm/15mm rails, or directly onto the camera body). Personally I am not a fan of a battery belt, as it impedes your movability, and at some point you might walk away from the camera, forgetting that it is still plugged in.

As to monitoring, AFAIK the R1 has a standard HD output, not sure if 720 or 1080. But it is most likely in the manual. I remember plugging my R1 into a variety of large LCDs via HDMI, and not all monitors would work. Hopefully someone else can give you a better, more concrete answer than mine.
 
The HD-SDI/HDMI of the R1 mainly outputs 720p, it can be set in the menus to output 1080 but will only do so on playback, it will remain 720p during record.

If the camera doesn't detect an actual RED evf/lcd, the the menu UI will default to the video preview output (HD-SDI/HDMI).

I'd suggest a more standard video monitor, one that has a native resolution of 720p for monitoring. I and many others use smallHD brand, but there are many to choose from.

From personal experience though, I don't know of any EVFs that match the RED quality.

Since you're new to the camera, I'd highly suggest reading through the manual. Most questions like this are answered within the manual. (plus you'll learn things you never thought of asking)

:)
 
Since the base production pack seems to now be out of stock, does anyone have any ideas for the best way to mount the Red One Quick Plate? I'm after the simplest, most cost effective method to get it on the back of the camera.

A friend of mine is an inch away from clicking that buy button, but is hesitant due to the complexities of setting up rails that will get this thing on the camera
 
Thanks, Martin, this is great. One quick note, the old RED ONE Base Production Pack is not longer available. Most people have switched the Quick Release Platform system with even the RED ONE these days...

* QRP (Dovetail) with short or long dovetail
* QRP (Bolt on)*

In conjunction with:

* RED ONE Riser Pack
* RED ONE Low-Pro Plate

For a top handle, they are using this to take advantage of our SWAT rail system.

BC


FYI, Bomb Squad is still sending the link out for the R1 Base Production Pack, as it was linked in the email I received when I ordered the R1.
 
Hi,

Thanks for getting back with that great information, I had a read of the RED ONE Pdf and found it very helpful. One thing i'm still not sure on and can't seem to find much about is how to directly put the V mount onto the camera without rails? Also I seen cheap v mount plates on ebay that say they use D-plug? From reading the Manural am I correct in saying any 6 pin plug will work to power battery from camera?

Thanks

James
 
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