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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

My first day with Redcine

I just did a test on my mac. I pulled down the file from the internet to see if things got corrupted in the upload. My version of REDCINE does not like my old NVidia 6800, and the overlay is hosed, but it outputs just fine. I processed through frame 50 at 4k 2:1 to DPX files, and they all look fine.

Jon Firestone
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Hey Moses, good to see you here.

I just tried a new project and new drives, and got to frame 22 before my DPXs went to half res. I'll get some footage from Moses and see if I experience the same problem, and I always have XP to try as well.

-Stu
 
ProLost said:
Hey Moses, good to see you here.

I just tried a new project and new drives, and got to frame 22 before my DPXs went to half res. I'll get some footage from Moses and see if I experience the same problem, and I always have XP to try as well.

-Stu
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Hey Stu...

When's a good time to reach you? I'm in Beijing right now, but let me know offlist how to get in touch, and I'll try and help ya' out.

Don't you have a good machine for SCRATCH now too? Might be a good route for you to try as well.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
ProLost said:
Hey Moses, good to see you here.

I just tried a new project and new drives, and got to frame 22 before my DPXs went to half res. I'll get some footage from Moses and see if I experience the same problem, and I always have XP to try as well.

-Stu
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Hi Stu, It was great meeting you last weekend at the shoot. I don't know if Moses has gotten back to you yet, but if not, I've got a back up of the footage and it would be no problem to run it by to you on Sunday or Monday.
Cheers,
Paul
 
Hey Paul—wow, the whole gang's here! Moses is going to bring a drive by on Monday so I think I'm covered, but thank you nonetheless. Your footage is gorgeous and as you can tell I'm eager to determine the best possible post workflow for it.

-Stu

PS: Emeryville rules!
 
MosesMa said:
Hey gang,

I'm the filmmaker that Stu is helping out. Yeah, I just got buried in day job work and haven't had time to cut the footage for Stu to test color grading. But yes, I'm happy to send the footage over to Stu so he can play with it. (I mean, who wouldn't want Stu helping?) By the way, we're pursuing an "open model" for filmmaking, so everything we learn about how to shoot beautifully with the RED, we'll share with the RED community. The goal of the test shoot is to take some RED footage all the way to 35mm answer print and see how it looks projected on a screen.

Anyway, here's a teaser framegrab, which Paul Nordin shot using Donatello's RED, and Stu did some experiments in color correction to:

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Remember, this is just a very early peek, but I think it looks pretty promising...

The goal for our film project (titled: "The Ethical Slut", a edgy romantic comedy about polyamory) is to produce something so beautiful that it - even for a second - actually takes your breath away. On a shoestring budget! If you wanna help out or participate with the test footage or the overall project, just drop me a note.

Moses
Little Taoist Films
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Moses that looks REALLY beautiful! Are you planning on posting graded clips on REDRELAY? RED footage that looked like that would persuade some currently sceptical friends of mine that RED can really cut it against Film
Do you know the film Love is the Devil about Francis Bacon? If RED footage could be made to look like that movie.. I might even become a fan boy :love: :)
 
ProLost said:
The machine I'm on is a 17" macbook pro with a GeForce 8600M GT. I can try in windows on this same machine easily enough.

-Stu
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its the graphics card, and the 4k@ 16:9 martial arts footage that causes the problem.

this kung fu clip causes problems on a mac ( at least at me).
 
fergus said:
Moses that looks REALLY beautiful! Are you planning on posting graded clips on REDRELAY? RED footage that looked like that would persuade some currently sceptical friends of mine that RED can really cut it against Film
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Thanks Fergus! And sure, we're planning to post both ungraded and graded clips from the test on RedRelay. It's all about learning curve, and the more we share, the faster we all get up to speed on the camera, right?

fergus said:
Do you know the film Love is the Devil about Francis Bacon? If RED footage could be made to look like that movie.. I might even become a fan boy :love: :)
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I'll put that movie on my Netflix list. Thanks for the suggestion. Actually, for this project, the film I was originally trying to look like was "Henry & June"... but I started studying frames from that film and decided that it wasn't a lofty enough goal! So now, "Stealing Beauty" is what I'm pushing everyone go after.
 
MosesMa said:
the more we share, the faster we all get up to speed on the camera, right?
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Hallelujah :)

MosesMa said:
I'll put that movie on my Netflix list.
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I love that movie.. They filmed loads of it with random pieces of glass in front of the lens.. Crazy Stuff. It was the paint pots in your still that reminded me of it, (and the quality of the light..).
 
I was trying to reproduce your problem since I have seen it happen few times before on my machine.
After removing all I had in the REDCINE library (removed whole directory there “REDCINE”
And reinstalling build 82 it do not happen anymore.
However I still see GL out of memory error in the log.
Check your log file when you have problems, see below.


: REDCODE RAW Started (Build no. 0436 Jan 15 2008)
10:45:10.39 INFO : Session initialize
10:45:10.55 INFO : 3D LUT: Enable FP16 texture format
10:45:10.56 INFO : Initialize player
10:45:10.56 INFO : Initialize Player Session..
10:45:10.56 INFO : AS Render: Enabled pbuffer based render scheme!
10:45:10.65 INFO : Audio: Microsoft Sound Mapper
: Setup: 44100 Hz, 2 Channel(s), 16 bit
10:45:10.66 INFO : Setup Timeline Player, Session 1
10:45:11.35 INFO : Session start
10:46:56.88 INFO : PLAYER: AUTO-SAVE...
10:46:56.88 INFO : Updating project Media/Construct database
: Writing project constructs: 'Application Data\REDCINE\Project\Session_1\Construct.reg'
: Build node list: 0.00002
: Create library : 0.00046
: Create project : 0.00011
: Write registry : 0.01236
10:46:56.90 INFO : Update Project Media registry
: Updated/saved 0 clips (0.0102 Sec.)
10:47:15.00 ERROR: Pre- Fragment Program : OpenGL Program Error - 'Out of memory'
10:47:15.15 WARN : GFX: PBO read setup: OpenGL Error - Out of memory
10:47:19.92 ERROR: GL Display Render Pass (96): 'Out of memory'
: Average time per frame 4.087 (0.24 FPS)
: CG Render - Total: 2.659 Setup: 0.001 Render: 1.718 Read: 0.940
10:50:31.33 WARN : TX Display texture failed(2)
: Image: ' 4096x2048 RGB, 10 bit (Lin) '
10:50:31.33 WARN : TX Display texture failed(1)
: Image: ' 4096x2048 RGB, 10 bit (Lin) '
: Using next texture.

NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT with 256MB Firmware ver. 156.69
Intel Core 2 Extreme CPU X7900 2.8GHz XP 32
 
Ah, Stealing Beauty...

Ah, Stealing Beauty...

Curran Giddens said:
Now that is a lofty goal indeed! "Stealing Beauty" is one of my favorite films. Makes me want to move to Italy....
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The film makes me want to do something too, but it has more to do with Liv Tyler... ;-)

Anyway, here are a few things that I personally learned from the shoot, which may be pretty obvious to some of you but hey, this is gonna be my first feature and I figure other first timers are reading.

First, to aspire to making something as beautiful as Stealing Beauty or The Dreamers, we need to push the RED to give us rich skin tones. The challenge would be to light the scene so that we don't under-illuminate skin tones and introduce noise, and at the same time, keep from blowing out the whites. A night shoot, where we could completely control lighting, would not be as challenging or provide as much learning potential, so for the test, we selected a scene that showed some skin, and required nice big windows with sunshine pouring in. This is probably the #1 issue with any camera, but mastering the specific balance for the RED was a key challenge.

Second, to achieve film-like imagery, just shooting with the RED by itself will not be enough. The project requires very aggressive and skillful color grading, which HAS to be done by someone who really knows what he's doing. Also, carefully managing diffusion is critical to getting the look right. The tone of the film is still set more by color and sound, than resolution and framerate. Hence, I started bird-dogging Stu months ago, who is worth his weight in gold as a filmmaking resource.

Finally, I noticed that the need to adapt and be mentally agile around the camera, kept our brains functioning at 110% - as well as the adrenaline level up throughout the day. It's interesting... I find that shooting with such a new camera makes you completely rethink what filmmaking is all about, and in the end, it forces you to innovate in every aspect of a shoot and post production. So I think that even if you're successful enough to shoot everything in film, it pays to shoot with a RED just to force yourself to question your filmmaking assumptions and push that envelope.
 
I have some log files bundled up if anyone wants them. Lucas?

Lots of stuff like this in there:

18:16:59.70 INFO : Media library saved (0.0026 Sec.)
18:17:11.14 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 1
18:17:11.23 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 3
18:17:11.29 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 1
18:17:11.35 WARN : Image processing: Input 0, buffer allocation failed.. (0: 1072693248x4096)
18:17:11.80 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 2
# : Repeated 2 times
18:17:11.92 WARN : Image processing: Input 0, buffer allocation failed.. (0: 1073741824x4096)
18:17:12.70 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 3
# : Repeated 2 times
18:17:12.83 WARN : Image processing: Input 0, buffer allocation failed.. (0: 1074266112x4096)

and

18:10:51.86 INFO : Setup Timeline Player, Session 1
18:10:51.92 ERROR: TIFF: Can not read image with 1-bit samples
18:10:51.92 ERROR: TIFF: /Users/stu/ma2.4096x2048/000128.tif: No "put" routine setupl; probably can not handle image format
18:10:55.69 INFO : Session start
: GFX: Use half (16 bit) floating point 1D LUT's
18:10:56.45 ERROR: TIFF: Can not read image with 1-bit samples
18:10:56.45 ERROR: TIFF: /Users/stu/ma2.4096x2048/000129.tif: No "put" routine setupl; probably can not handle image format
 
ProLost said:
I have some log files bundled up if anyone wants them. Lucas?

Lots of stuff like this in there:

18:16:59.70 INFO : Media library saved (0.0026 Sec.)
18:17:11.14 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 1
18:17:11.23 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 3
18:17:11.29 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 1
18:17:11.35 WARN : Image processing: Input 0, buffer allocation failed.. (0: 1072693248x4096)
18:17:11.80 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 2
# : Repeated 2 times
18:17:11.92 WARN : Image processing: Input 0, buffer allocation failed.. (0: 1073741824x4096)
18:17:12.70 WARN : REDCODE RAW: Error decoding frame 3
# : Repeated 2 times
18:17:12.83 WARN : Image processing: Input 0, buffer allocation failed.. (0: 1074266112x4096)

and

18:10:51.86 INFO : Setup Timeline Player, Session 1
18:10:51.92 ERROR: TIFF: Can not read image with 1-bit samples
18:10:51.92 ERROR: TIFF: /Users/stu/ma2.4096x2048/000128.tif: No "put" routine setupl; probably can not handle image format
18:10:55.69 INFO : Session start
: GFX: Use half (16 bit) floating point 1D LUT's
18:10:56.45 ERROR: TIFF: Can not read image with 1-bit samples
18:10:56.45 ERROR: TIFF: /Users/stu/ma2.4096x2048/000129.tif: No "put" routine setupl; probably can not handle image format
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Stu,

There is a sticky within the REDCINE section for log files... can you upload them there?

Tx,

Lucas
 
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