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Luma AI’s Dream Machine – New AI Video Generator Launched and Available to the Public

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Luma AI’s Dream Machine – New AI Video Generator Launched and Available to the Public | CineD

A month doesn't go by without a new AI video generator announcement. This time, we’re looking at Luma AI’s Dream Machine.
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What's the highest resolution of these files? Some of these examples look sub-HD. Can you specify 4K etc?

I can imagine entire fan films being made with this tech. I an also imagine that a lot of gamers are really annoyed that GPU prices are going to remain high indefinitely. First it was crypto mining, now it's AI computation farms!

What is obvious to me is that this tech will be more trouble than it is worth for some applications, while it will cause revolutions in some spaces. We are still in the 'uncanny valley', so it will be interesting to see how long it takes to reach photorealism, if that's possible.
 
I think Photorealism will be in about 5 years with better Physics reproduction and without the weird motion of the characters.
 
When AI can replicate the cinematic mastery of a film like Schindler's List, and all of the amazing acting performances throughout cinema's history, the nuances, the emotional connection to the audience, the cathartic journey that movies can take you on, then it will have something. Until then, it feels like scenes from video games. Yes, those scenes can work in the context they are operating in, but it's hard for me not to be aware of the magic trick. For AI to truly approach movies/TV shows as we have known them, I need to be completely fooled, unaware that I'm being tricked. Also, one thing that maybe gets overlooked is that a lot of this content will be created by people who feel more comfortable in a room with a computer rather than on set going on a journey with other human beings making a movies/show. To me, that journey, the good, the bad, the ugly that can happen making a movie is part of the experience. I do think AI will have a role, and I do think new art will be created because of the existence of this tech, but I also think it's a long way from being capable of delivering the nuanced work that humans can create in the real world. I also acknowledge that for years we have seen lots of artifice in filmmaking with CG, de-aging, etc. I acknowledge that filmmaking in and of itself is kind of a magic trick to begin with. But I do think there is quite a difference between traditional filmmaking and what is currently being presented and probably will be for at least a few years. Who knows, maybe in a few years I'll be one of those people sitting in front of a computer making AI films.
 
Steve,

The only problem is that these days the average viewer wants less "HIGH ART" like "Schindler's List" and more "JUNK" tv. Ai doesn't really have to get to "PHOTOREALISM" just on par with some of the animated movies making big box office bucks. Plus Ai in the not so distant future will allow the Viewer to describe the kind of movie they want to see and be entertained by, Not what Hollywood believes they want to see. and pay for.

I hate all of this Ai shit more and more everyday. It will make it harder and harder for talented people whom learned to perfect their craft over years and decades to be properly compensated for it because some Ai program will eventually get "CLOSE ENOUGH" to devalue those skills year by year.


I spent a lot of time learning and improving my skills as an artist. I never thought that some program could match what I was and currently able to do, but that is becoming more and more a fact of life these days.
 
rand thompson said:
Plus Ai in the not so distant future will allow the Viewer to describe the kind of movie they want to see and be entertained by, Not what Hollywood believes they want to see. and pay for.
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The idea that the average viewer will be able to develop a concept on their own or with the help of AI, or even want to for that matter, for an entertaining movie that will delight and surprise them, is far-fetched at best.

Think about every movie you’ve ever seen that you were amazed by. How many individuals contributed to its creation? What kind of life experiences, trials, tribulations or struggles did they go through that allowed them to bring that collective wisdom and creativity to set? Before that movie existed, would you have had the slightest clue to create what it ultimately presented to the world?

You can’t replicate that through an AI process that only steals from currently available art.

AI is a sham, presented by unoriginal, uncreative people, in an effort to further devalue that which they cannot do.

I, for one, am not believing or buying what they are selling. It’s a house of cards.
 
" Far Fetched" ? As in video and art from text prompts? Art which has won art competitions and later was disqualified? Technology that's developing at an exponential rate seemingly from year to year ?

You do understand that the average movie goers couldn't give half a shit about all of the hard work, talent, years of experience, attention to detail, and budget that goes into making a typical movie. Or care about how the story was originally conceived refined and eventually perfected. Only people on this forum and forums like these and all of the talented hardworking people whom spent their lives perfecting their art and movie critics care about anything you mentioned above.

Movie goers just want to be entertained, that's all. Most are not looking for some thought provoking, life changing concept about the Human Condition. They just want sex, violence, plot twists and to see shit blown up. Not everyone needs the " High Art" that you seem to like to espouse in their entertainment, just something basic to past the time. AI will make that increasingly more plausible with each new iteration and each new competing program.

I like to think like everyone on this forum and everyone in this industry that all of the time and effort that I've spent learning and improving my skills for this industry still has some value in this world. But for each new AI update and each new competing AI program, at some point maybe 5 or 10 years from now, all of that will become meaningless.
 
rand thompson said:
" Far Fetched" ? As in video and art from text prompts? Art which has won art competitions and later was disqualified? Technology that's developing at an exponential rate seemingly from year to year ?

You do understand that the average movie goers couldn't give half a shit about all of the hard work, talent, years of experience, attention to detail, and budget that goes into making a typical movie. Or care about how the story was originally conceived refined and eventually perfected. Only people on this forum and forums like these and all of the talented hardworking people whom spent their lives perfecting their art and movie critics care about anything you mentioned above.

Movie goers just want to be entertained, that's all. Most are not looking for some thought provoking, life changing concept about the Human Condition. They just want sex, violence, plot twists and to see shit blown up. Not everyone needs the " High Art" that you seem to like to espouse in their entertainment, just something basic to past the time. AI will make that increasingly more plausible with each new iteration and each new competing program.

I like to think like everyone on this forum and everyone in this industry that all of the time and effort that I've spent learning and improving my skills for this industry still has some value in this world. But for each new AI update and each new competing AI program, at some point maybe 5 or 10 years from now, all of that will become meaningless.
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I'll at least clarify a couple of comments here. "Far-fetched" refers not to the fact that it is possible to create art and video from text prompts, it is possible, as we've certainly seen.

The "far-fetched" that I'm referring to is that the average person will be able to create a movie that even they themselves will want to watch, let alone anyone else.

Movie making is hard. Even with hundreds of skilled professionals working on every movie that gets released, we still only have a handful of movies out there that end up being any good or that really capture an audience.

So yes, I think it's far-fetched that a non professional will suddenly come up with a movie that's good just because AI provides a tool for them to do so.

I also agree that movie goers don't care about the skills of the people that make the movies. My point isn't that they should care, I know they don't. My point is that the skills to make movies well are hard-won, from years of study and practice. The average Joe doesn't suddenly develop the same level of skill just because an AI tool makes some things easier.
 
You keep talking about movies as they are perceived now or in the Past. It's your definition of what a Movie is or isn't that will become outdated with Ai improvement. I Created paintings, dark art to be exact, that use to take hours to complete . It use to be hard to do with a computer program, it takes no time at all now for some Joe Smo nobody to do the same. Music composition and adding lyrics to accompany it used to be hard, you can do this now with a program I tried out a few months back that composes a song with lyrics, you just need to give it a genre.

Have you seen some of what the newer AI video making programs are capable of so far. They can re-create sophisticated lighting setups, Intricate camera movements , duplicate complex physics. Some Ai Programs meant for video can even write scripts.

All of the complexities of what was once necessitated and synonymous with making an average good film are slowly being destroyed monthly if not daily by Ai. How much longer we will be to live under the illusion Ai will never replace us is unknown. But it will happen a whole hell of a lot sooner than most people think or are currently ready for.
 
Dustin Schmidt said:
Movie making is hard. Even with hundreds of skilled professionals working on every movie that gets released, we still only have a handful of movies out there that end up being any good or that really capture an audience.
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At the very least, I will agree with this statement 100%!
 
It’s not unusual that creators estimate the value of their creations by how much effort (staff, experience, time, money ...) they’ve put into it. But consumers often end up with a very different, lower evaluation because they usually don’t know what effort was put in, they have no respect for the making because they only see what's before their eyes now. They are also more tolerant nowadays where media at all quality levels is omnipresent everwhere, compared to good ol’ times when they had to go to a cinema theatre and pay for a ticket, hence expected to see a high-quality product.

You can probably compare a new upcoming “consumer AI generated movie” market to what happened with photography after cameras were available in every phone: 99% of the people take photos at a quality level that any professional would just dismiss as not even worth looking at, but these are THEIR photos, their creations, and they get their love (and their friends love) just because it’s what they made themselves. This love is what feeds this market and keeps it going. And this everyone-can-do-photography market is now getting a movie sister.

And with that, if AI can create videos from prompts that are the perceived as the creative work of their own (perceived as their work by ignoring that the AI used for it is based on the millions of works from others), it will establish yet another new market segment in the overall “DIY” market.

But is this the end of high-quality media? No, this is a different and separate market, and only the percentages will shift a bit back and forth over time, how much is to be seen. What I definitely don’t expect is that this new DYI-movie market will replace the high-quality movie market. Museums are still around, movie theaters will stay.

Apart from this DIY business, the other AI impact area is in the production of high-quality media where it has great potential to streamline creation and all kinds of workflows. It will eventually kick jobs out of business that can be fully replaced with AI pieces at the required quality level (tragedies included). In the same way as it creates new jobs for creating and feeding the AI components. Some jobs will just have to make good use of what AI offers to them in their area to survive and get even more productive. In the end I think most tasks will benefit from AI without completely replacing the human work on it. There isn’t much choice after all: love it, hate it, or just use it.
 
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Ai still has its problems however. The Physics of movement especially human movement is probably 5 to 10 years off. Being able to consistently reproduce a human character exactly the same way everytime is still not there yet. Medium close up to close up shots look good, but anything wider than that still looks like shit. Audio to go along with the characters that exactly matches their mouth movements and to some degree their facial expressions still is none existant. Also being able to reproduce consistently and accurately the backgrounds and scenes from shot to shot over a extended amount of time, maybe hours, is still a long way off also.Lastly, reproducing a consistent Colour scheme / Grade and Lighting for an entire movie is also years away.


I'm sure I missed some other things as well. But I say years from now but I wouldn't be that surprised if it was less than a year from now, but I doubt it.
 
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I don't think it's 5 to 10 years away. The obvious hiccups in current AI generated pictures and movies are a result of the models being based on stats about pictures and sequences of pictures, so it only generates new variations of pictures and movies that are more or less similar by splitting and recombining picture elements. It has no 'knowledge' about the physical world itself, it just gets close to it by learning that some element combinations in pictures work better than others but it doesn't verify the results physically.

It will be different when the models are based on threedimensinal objects and their physical properties instead of pictures, so that the output that AI generates are 3D scenes that are then rendered to pictures as with other VFX objects today.
 
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Alex,

Its was probably my wishful think hoping we still have more time. But yeah you never know what new developments Sam Altman, Microsoft, Nvidia and whole assortment of other AI developers are working on that are yet to made available to the public yet.
 
Yes, the question is just when - we'll see... But when it comes to adapting to such a change, I won't bet on the time that I still have left for it... just start as if it were tomorrow.
 
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Can AI distinguish between shooting a gun at some one and shooting some one with a gun?

In one case the gun is an accomplice while in the other it is not.

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