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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Interesting blog about 'Color'

That's not what REDCINE is designed for though. It's a RAW conversion tool. If you calibrate your computer monitor, you'll get accurate colour though.

Graeme
 
I posted the link, because I thought it was a great 'bs free' look at Color, not an attack. For those of us considering fcs2, as in moving from Windows, addtional info is very helpful in the decision making process. I've grown imune to the usual hype Apple puts out.

btw Stu, love the book.

Joe C.
 
In 'mastering mode' the MXO acts as a VOut device, so the data still needs to pass through the CPU and system bus. At least that's my understanding. So no speed gain there.

In desktop mirror mode it might help, although it might not be colour or pixel accurate. To be seen I guess.
 
Graeme Nattress said:
If you calibrate your computer monitor, you'll get accurate colour though.

Graeme
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You mean System Preferences>Displays>Color>Calibrate?

Is there another more accurate method for correcting LCD?
 
Use a gretagMacbeth Eye One? Works great here. Much more accurate colour, especially noticible in the purity of "white".

Graeme
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Use a gretagMacbeth Eye One? Works great here. Much more accurate colour, especially noticible in the purity of "white".
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Does that solve the problem, though? If video apps supported e.g. ColorSync, they could assume your footage was Rec. 709 (or whatever), look at your monitor's profile, and compensate to display appropriately. But unlike in the desktop publishing world, very view video apps have such color management support.

Doesn't this mean you'd actually have to calibrate your monitor to emulate Rec. 709 directly? That is, create a profile for it such that RGB values displayed on it would display as if on a Rec. 709 screen, with no color space conversion on the part of the app doing the display? Can this be done, and if so, how well does it work?
 
Colour calibration gets tricky..... But the Eye One calibration certainly makes a great difference to the image.

Graeme
 
The extent of the color calibration I do on my Mac is opening Display Calibrator Assistant and using the time tested technique of eye squinting. :unsure:

Although I notice the factory presets on the Apple Cinema Displays are for the most part fairly accurate.
 
zeke said:
I posted the link, because I thought it was a great 'bs free' look at Color, not an attack...
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Thanks man, that was my intent. Kinda bums me out that some are reading it another way, but maybe they're not accustomed to the "tough love" I reserve for software companies who make tools I actually like!

And thanks for the kind words about the book, it means a lot.

-Stu
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Stu, as Color is pure GPU, video output will slow it down. Best way for output is via the second DVI output on your card, to another computer monitor. That works great as then the data doesn't need to go up to the GPU, through the shaders, back down into main memory and up on to the SDI output card.
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Makes sense. I didn't see Color configured to use the 2nd computer display as a pure image display, but I assume it has such a mode. At NAB they were using both Cinema Displays for the UI and the video out to drive a plasma.

-Stu
 
There's a few different view modes you can run in. The old FT way of doing it was full screen for the image on your second monitor and Color can do that too.

Graeme
 
ProLost said:
Makes sense. I didn't see Color configured to use the 2nd computer display as a pure image display, but I assume it has such a mode. At NAB they were using both Cinema Displays for the UI and the video out to drive a plasma.

-Stu
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but at NAB were they not showing previews of clips playing in realtime? saw that on a podcast.. so if thats video out to a plasma (sony ?? as usual?) what output? aja io/hd?

S
 
I've used Final Touch for about 2 years now and have always been at the edge with Silicon Color and Roland... I guess I was just a bit to focal about the problems I was facing with the software.

Its great Apple have bought it as I do thing the Silicon Color guys where struggling with the code and getting ti to do what was advertised.

The workflow was a pain as XML was never a smooth go from FCP to FT and back again.

Color looks like the Apple crew have come to the rescue and I can't wait to see what they do with it from here.

Yes realtime playback was always a hit and miss as the data pipeline was the bottle neck. Hopefully Apple will sort out the graphics card options but hey... how long have we all been waiting Apple to do this :-(

Maybe with Intel on board things will change. I know that having the RED shakeup is changing a lot of things fast... a lot faster than people thought was possible.

Run, run, run for the hills.. the revelation is coming!

RED, Apple, Intel - finally reasonable prices on professional gear, times are good in a Mac users.

As for Final Touch being almost free - well look at Shake. Its an amazing piece of software and cost nothing yet very few people can actually operate it.

Talent will rule which has always been the outcome.
 
Chris Kenny said:
Doesn't this mean you'd actually have to calibrate your monitor to emulate Rec. 709 directly? That is, create a profile for it such that RGB values displayed on it would display as if on a Rec. 709 screen, with no color space conversion on the part of the app doing the display? Can this be done, and if so, how well does it work?
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Final Cut Pro does that to an extent, at least in terms of gamma. It's not precise, but it gives you a reasonable preview on the computer monitor.
 
Yes, they got it wronger than most. They also promoted me to CEO and claimed that Apple integrated Rayz tech into their products, which is not true (they just bought and buried it).

-Stu
 
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