Which of these programs is more 'RED-friendly'? I've got both, but am only familiar with FCP. If Premiere is better, I'd better order some books. I'm definitely dreaming of a Scarlet, and want to use the best program for the workflow. Also, if Premiere, does it matter if on the Mac or PC?
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Final Cut Pro 7 or Premiere Pro CS4 more 'RED-friendly'?
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BigLu
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RED Friendly.
Well Premiere and After effects CS4 can and will work directly with the R3D nativley, that can be quite useful in a post workflow if your working in effects or with AE.
How ever the new color science is not applied to the best of my knowledge so you may need to color correct in AE to get the desired results you want with the final footage.
If you are doing a project thats strickly more edits or cuts and not FX intensive or green screen I would suggest FCP workflow.
There are so many ways to work with R3D footage in FCP that you can get several answers.
Here is 1 workflow
Transcode all your footage in REDRUSHES 1080p ProRes SQ
Edit in FCP, grade in Color output in FCP and your done.
In my experience I love both for various reasons.
FX intense and taking advantage of the 4K image I lean towards AE or CS4 workflow.
VS
Cuts only or speed and delivery is important to my project then i go FCP no doubt.
I only use MAC dont have an answer for PC but im sure PC is nice if you are a windows person.
Hope that helps
Well Premiere and After effects CS4 can and will work directly with the R3D nativley, that can be quite useful in a post workflow if your working in effects or with AE.
How ever the new color science is not applied to the best of my knowledge so you may need to color correct in AE to get the desired results you want with the final footage.
If you are doing a project thats strickly more edits or cuts and not FX intensive or green screen I would suggest FCP workflow.
There are so many ways to work with R3D footage in FCP that you can get several answers.
Here is 1 workflow
Transcode all your footage in REDRUSHES 1080p ProRes SQ
Edit in FCP, grade in Color output in FCP and your done.
In my experience I love both for various reasons.
FX intense and taking advantage of the 4K image I lean towards AE or CS4 workflow.
VS
Cuts only or speed and delivery is important to my project then i go FCP no doubt.
I only use MAC dont have an answer for PC but im sure PC is nice if you are a windows person.
Hope that helps
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Jeff Kilgroe
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Since this is in the Scarlet forum, I will say to wait until Scarlet is here before deciding.
But looking at them now, Luis summed it up nicely. IMO, having both FCS and CS4 collections is a good idea. I find I use both and which one depends on the job at hand. If Adobe can get back on track with updated RED support, get RED Rocket™ enabled, especially for Media Encoder and After Effects, then CS4 is going to be a real force to contend with. But it also has a few shortcomings as far as EDLs, metadata, etc.. that are big hang-ups for lots of folks and not just those working with RED files.
FCP now supports R3D "natively" or at least as close to native as it supports most anything else. What that means is that it doesn't have to transcode anymore, but it still wraps the R3D data into a QuickTime wrapper since that is how the application natively handles most any video stream I/O -- via QuickTime. It's a step in the right direction, but still not as elegant as in PPro or AE CS4 where we can simply drop the R3D files right into a bin or onto the timeline. Takes about 5 to 10 seconds to "wrap" an R3D file in FCP via the L&T interface. Or it can transcode during L&T to other formats like ProRes.
If you have to choose one or the other now, then I wish you luck. I honestly can't pick one over the other without knowing more about what YOU are looking to use them for. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.
But looking at them now, Luis summed it up nicely. IMO, having both FCS and CS4 collections is a good idea. I find I use both and which one depends on the job at hand. If Adobe can get back on track with updated RED support, get RED Rocket™ enabled, especially for Media Encoder and After Effects, then CS4 is going to be a real force to contend with. But it also has a few shortcomings as far as EDLs, metadata, etc.. that are big hang-ups for lots of folks and not just those working with RED files.
FCP now supports R3D "natively" or at least as close to native as it supports most anything else. What that means is that it doesn't have to transcode anymore, but it still wraps the R3D data into a QuickTime wrapper since that is how the application natively handles most any video stream I/O -- via QuickTime. It's a step in the right direction, but still not as elegant as in PPro or AE CS4 where we can simply drop the R3D files right into a bin or onto the timeline. Takes about 5 to 10 seconds to "wrap" an R3D file in FCP via the L&T interface. Or it can transcode during L&T to other formats like ProRes.
If you have to choose one or the other now, then I wish you luck. I honestly can't pick one over the other without knowing more about what YOU are looking to use them for. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.
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The Adobe workflow is pretty easy, but Final Cut is not really that hard either. I think it's worth it just for Color (so hard to colour correct in AE...). Also, Clipfinder is your friend.
RRafael
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I'm chose cs4 master collection vs a not native red files only mac but popular cut program. I prefer can do it anything edit and fx all in one. For me scratch is very easy integrator with cs4 and you have all possible professional workflow.