Dragon vs MX framing (with Super 35 ref)

[Peter Majtan]

For me personally one of the most important differences between Dragon and MX is the smaller pixel size on the Dragon, which has two critical implications:

1. Same "#K" format will be 0.924x narrower on the Dragon when compared to MX

2. Now the Super 35 film standard (@ 1.85 common crop) fits neatly with the Dragon 5K - that means all your traditional cinema glass is guarantee to cover 5K on Dragon, so you can deliver nice 4K masters. This was one the key reasons I went for the Dragon Scarlet in the first place... ;o)

I have made a quick reference chart showing this difference between Dragon and MX sensors with Super 35 thrown in there for reference. I hope this helps...

(open the image in a new tab for larger size...)

:sifone: Peter

 

[Mike Garrick]

Hey Pete thanks for this.

It was doing my head in trying to figure WTF all this meant with the denser pixels etc. for Scarlet and lensing footprints etc.

I believe this is a candidate for "sticky' !

P.S so busy looking at the different reticles I didn't notice the truck . What is that a frame of, is it from "Thunderbirds are GO " ? ; )

 

[Peter Majtan]

P.S so busy looking at the different reticles I didn't notice the truck . What is that a frame of, is it from "Thunderbirds are GO " ? ; )

It's for the Black Saturday MV from Swedish band Mando Diao - I was the camera op (both principal with steadicam and aerials) under the watchful eye of Paul Evans - the DP (he also shot B-cam with my Scarlet while I was shooting principal on their Epic). Enjoy...:

http://vimeo.com/88489917

:sifone: Peter

 

[Nawaf Alsabhan]

Isn't Dragon 5.5K very close to MX 5k?

 

[Peter Majtan]

Isn't Dragon 5.5K very close to MX 5k?

Yes, about 3% larger. Didn't include the #.5K formats for clarity - but the scaling is linear - so you can easily "visualise" a red line exactly in the middle between the Dragon 5K and 6K... ;o)

:sifone: Peter

 

[Michael Tiemann]

For me personally one of the most important differences between Dragon and MX is the smaller pixel size on the Dragon, which has two critical implications:

1. Same "#K" format will be 0.924x narrower on the Dragon when compared to MX

2. Now the Super 35 film standard (@ 1.85 common crop) fits neatly with the Dragon 5K - that means all your traditional cinema glass is guarantee to cover 5K on Dragon, so you can deliver nice 4K masters. This was one the key reasons I went for the Dragon Scarlet in the first place... ;o)

I, too, went for a SCARLET DRAGON for the same reason. It arrives next week. I also have an EPIC DRAGON with a mini-mag, so I can--when necessary--shoot 6KFF with lower REDCODE compression and higher frame rates. But I'm really hoping to find that for my particular application--multiple cameras rolling for hours while collecting documentary footage--5K @ 8:1 24fps is a winner.

 

[Peter Majtan]

The 5K on Dragon really hits the sweet spot. RED knew that in order to deliver pristine 4K you gotta shoot larger format, but the 5K on MX ended up being substantially larger then Super35 - resulting in many complaining they can't use traditional cinema lenses. Now with the 5K on Dragon fitting in the coverage of Super35 the problem is solved - you can shoot with cine glass and still deliver pristine 4K master. And for those with glass that cover larger area - they can take advantage of even higher resolution beyond 5K. It's the still shooters that are most used to still glass - so that works out well...

:sifone: Peter