Vouching

[Elsie N]

Having once been in the insurance business, I remember that we were told in Insurance school that if you couldn't fill a customer's needs and wanted to steer him or her to a friendly competitor, you should not "vouch" for that competitor as to how they might perform.

Doing so put you personally at risk if that competitor or his/her company did not perform. It was almost like you were co-signing a note with the person you recommended for your customer.

Not saying that would happen here, but why put yourself at risk?

 

[Terry VerHaar]

Hmmm...

Hmmm...

Having once been in the insurance business, I remember that we were told in Insurance school that if you couldn't fill a customer's needs and wanted to steer him or her to a friendly competitor, you should not "vouch" for that competitor as to how they might perform.

Doing so put you personally at risk if that competitor or his/her company did not perform. It was almost like you were co-signing a note with the person you recommended for your customer.

Not saying that would happen here, but why put yourself at risk?

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If a tree falls in the woods...

:confused5:

 

[Elsie N]

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If a tree falls in the woods...

:confused5:

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Or if two trees fall simultaneously, do they cancel each others sound?

not sure what your two question marks are?

Edit: I have observed a number of times on Reduser where a third party is "vouching" for someone trying to sell something here. Not that THAT is a bad thing, as long as one recognizes the risks.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

As a man of Integrity, and of my word, when I do vouch for some, give my word to some one about some one else, it counts, and I firmly stay behind my promise and or vouch for such a person or Object function for which I give my word, word which is more important then any amount of money, and the respect that demands has no value in $$, but it is something truly needed to have, the power to be able to vouch, give your word, and know that it will be taken in consideration in any decision making do to the respect that such word carries.

Agreeing with you, what is that you are referring about here, that is the question.

Vouch, of what or hum, by hum?

Btw, in some places in Italy, we still can get in very big trouble if vouching some one, if this vouched person does not perform, the voucher pays the price and takes the responsibilities for having given his word.

 

[Elsie N]

As a man of Integrity, and of my word, when I do vouch for some, give my word to some one about some one else, it counts, and I firmly stay behind my promise and or vouch for such a person or Object function for which I give my word, word which is more important then any amount of money, and the respect that demands has no value in $$, but it is something truly needed to have, the power to be able to couch, give your word, and know that it will be taken in consideration in any decision making do to the respect that such word carries.

Agreeing with you, what is that you are referring about here, that is the question.

Vouch, of what or hum, by hum?

Btw, in some places in Italy, we still can get in very big trouble if vouching some one, if this vouched person does not perform, the voucher pays the price and takes the responsibilities for having given his word.

Personally, I would value very much having you vouch for me Ketch should you ever offer to do so. It would mean even more because you are aware that you would be putting your reputation, and possibly even your finances, on the line for me.

Someone, from Australia I think, did this for someone else awhile ago, and I thought at the time that THAT was a very noble gesture he made for someone he had done business with before. And I wondered at the time if he knew that there might be more at stake here than just his reputation. Laws may be different in other countries, though, and even in different states here in the U.S.

 

[Terry VerHaar]

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Or if two trees fall simultaneously, do they cancel each others sound?

not sure what your two question marks are?

Edit: I have observed a number of times on Reduser where a third party is "vouching" for someone trying to sell something here. Not that THAT is a bad thing, as long as one recognizes the risks.

No offense. Your post just struck me as without context. I am not sure who is doing the vouching and about what. And what your concerns are with the specific vouching that is going on.

I like Ketch's answer, though! :emote_popcorn:

 

[Elsie N]

No offense. Your post just struck me as without context. I am not sure who is doing the vouching and about what. And what your concerns are with the specific vouching that is going on.

I like Ketch's answer, though! :emote_popcorn:

Sorry, I didn't at first understand your comment, but then saw the little emoticon and when I placed my cursor over it, it said "confused" and I understood, thus the edit.

I agree, I like Ketch's answer as well.:thumbsup:

 

[Ian Laurie]

I think what Ketch has said here is very apt. I too have vouched for a seller because that seller helped me out when i was stuck without a drive. He kindly sold me the drive and was very upfront with me... If i had no previous experience i would not try to help that person. I too feel that integrity is a huge thing. If i vouch for someone elses integrity, I do so because it is someone i have come to trust. That trust is something that does not come lightly.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Thanks for the kind words guys, yes Integrity, Word of a Man, a Vouch, it is something I truly value, and something I wish was more valued, yet some time, I find myself profoundly and pleasantly surprised of how many have vouched for me, so when I can, I absolutely pass on such an important act, a way of life, to help others achieve, receive, participate and or gain acceptance which other wise they would not have.

So far I have been fortunate and only was wrong once in vouching the wrong person which shamed me and damaged friends around me, but again very fortunately this only happened once thru out my almost 45 (June 8) years of age, I actually started Vouching when I was 9, he he, in order to have a kid invited in to a trip, it turned out the best trip He ever had, and I gained a friend, which extremely unfortunately I have not seen since we were 11, after my fox moved out of the little town in Italy, I how ever promise my self that this time when I go back home, I will find him, no matter what.

Vouching, is an Honorable act which should never be taken lightly and always be accepted with the highest gratitude and respect.

 

[Elsie N]

Vouching, is an Honorable act which should never be taken lightly and always be accepted with the highest gratitude and respect.

Words to live by.

 

[Michael Hastings]

Elsie:

While your point about vouching might have some legal basis, I highly doubt that the sort of vouching that goes on here would be very enforceable. First off winning a lawsuit for damages by a third party not directly related to a transaction would be a crapshoot in almost any american courtroom, not to mention that these things are happening on an internet forum, over various state and international jurisdictions, etc.

Also, the situation is quite different from insurance where you have a state regulated financial business, where agents are typically licensed and have very significant fiduciary responsibilities and where vouching could much more easily be seen as creating a legal agency relationship.

In short, I doubt if there is much risk to the casual "vouching" that goes on here which is typically of the "I know ...., he's a good guy, and not some fake ebay scammer, so you're probably not going to get screwed" type. It's still "buyer beware" with a little bit more information.

 

[Gary Paul Walker]

I think overall to vouch for another person or service is usually a statment of appreciation that you have had a good experiance with that person or service, and would recommend the same to others.

I dont think anyone would knowingly vouch for something that was untrustworthy or unreliable, particularly when more often in not in these forums goods and services are pitched to a professional industry and cost more than typical consumer retaillers.

I would suggest, however, that no matter how trusted and honourable the source of a vouch, people still have to make their own judgement. Just look at the comments on amazon, some people get good service others get bad service.
Im not suggesting that the advice and vouching of users is anyway untrustworthy, just that a good experiance is rarely replicated 100% of the time

 

[Elsie N]

Elsie:

While your point about vouching might have some legal basis, I highly doubt that the sort of vouching that goes on here would be very enforceable. First off winning a lawsuit for damages by a third party not directly related to a transaction would be a crapshoot in almost any american courtroom, not to mention that these things are happening on an internet forum, over various state and international jurisdictions, etc.

Also, the situation is quite different from insurance where you have a state regulated financial business, where agents are typically licensed and have very significant fiduciary responsibilities and where vouching could much more easily be seen as creating a legal agency relationship.

In short, I doubt if there is much risk to the casual "vouching" that goes on here which is typically of the "I know ...., he's a good guy, and not some fake ebay scammer, so you're probably not going to get screwed" type. It's still "buyer beware" with a little bit more information.

Michael. Very good and in most cases, accurate points. (There are people who, when they feel wronged, will move heaven and earth to get satisfaction.) However, one's reputation, as Ketch said, is worth more than $$ to a good person's self-worth, and that could easily suffer.

Putting oneself out there has always been a dangerous thing. I understand there is a website where anyone can go and say anything they want about a named individual, anonymously. In actual communities, people could spread lies about a neighbor and if the dislike for that neighbor was shared by enough people, you could have something like the Salem witch burnings. Hey, in today's social and political climate, maybe instead of trying to avoid asbestos we should be scooping up the stuff abatement companies are trying to find a place to bury. Burning at the stake may be making a comeback.:biggrinjester:

 

[Elsie N]

I think overall to vouch for another person or service is usually a statment of appreciation that you have had a good experiance with that person or service, and would recommend the same to others.

I dont think anyone would knowingly vouch for something that was untrustworthy or unreliable, particularly when more often in not in these forums goods and services are pitched to a professional industry and cost more than typical consumer retaillers.

I would suggest, however, that no matter how trusted and honourable the source of a vouch, people still have to make their own judgement. Just look at the comments on amazon, some people get good service others get bad service.
Im not suggesting that the advice and vouching of users is anyway untrustworthy, just that a good experiance is rarely replicated 100% of the time

Gary Paul, I think you have made a very good point, especially the one about comments on Amazon and other internet stores. I read the ones on Newegg, and while at times you can get very detailed reasons for being for or against a product, often times you get a rant. But if, as you say, you make your own judgment about a product based on the overall feedback, something like that can be useful.

On the other hand, that is only somewhat related to your first point that most people (an honorable person) wouldn't knowingly give unreliable confirmation of the character of another person. Still, if one buys based upon the recommendation of the person they know from a person they do not know, then the person who vouches is responsible for that bad buying decision, IMO.

Of course, the devil is, as always, in the details. That is, if one said "My experience in dealing with this individual has been a positive one." then you have merely stated a fact.