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4k monitor released

Stephen Lovett said:
I was quoted a price of 66K today at the booth.
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Ok, cool, come back next year I guess?

Jeff Kilgroe said:
I'm in the market for a new monitor and I'm set on the new Panny 13th-gen 54~58" 3D plasma. But I'd go 4K over 3D if the image quality and price are in alignment...
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Yep, me too. BTW, if you're doing the 3D thing and targeting theatrical sizes bigger is definitely better if you want to get a similar 3D effect, so why not the consumer Panny 65" plasma? Maybe PM me Jeff - don't want to derail the thread.

But really - since it's pretty simple for manufacturers to make a 3D display, why would you want to buy a >$50,000 4K display that isn't 3D?

Actually, perfect for me would be a 3D display that does 48fps and 3K or greater - and a nice HDMI 1.7 or whatever cable to feed it ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Oh, look... Another quad-HD monitor. There were several of these bad boys shown at CES a couple months back. Not that it's a big deal, actually quad-HD is where the industry is headed for broadcast and typical delivery. It makes the most sense based on where it's coming from. I just wish they wouldn't call quad-HD "4K" because it isn't.

I'll see if the TV Logic one is on the show floor tomorrow, but I'm guessing it's not cheap.

The quad-input is a bit dated. HDMI 1.4 is shipping in consumer devices now and it handles quad-HD in 10bit up to 48fps. Just sayin... OTOH, there's no 4K single connection for SDI. And if the monitor has image quality to match it's impressive pixel count, then I bet it would look dead sexy connected to a RED Rocket™ fed by the RR Breakout Box.

I'm in the market for a new monitor and I'm set on the new Panny 13th-gen 54~58" 3D plasma. But I'd go 4K over 3D if the image quality and price are in alignment...
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As for the Panny 13... any chan ce these guysa re going to make these 42" or 50"... love the real estate but we designed our 3 rentable edit suites around the 11 series and never imagined the 12 would be 58" at the smallest...

its just too big for a 10 x 12 room
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
As for the Panny 13... any chan ce these guysa re going to make these 42" or 50"... love the real estate but we designed our 3 rentable edit suites around the 11 series and never imagined the 12 would be 58" at the smallest...
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Hey Tim,

Missed you at the RED event, I know you were there somewhere... As for the Panny plasmas, I could not get any info out of them on the NAB floor. It was a complete joke. I knew more about their display products than any of the Panny people I was able to talk to.

FWIW, there were no "pro series" displays smaller than 65" at their booth. Pretty much every display there, with the exception of the 85" to 152" in the theatre, were the new Viera VT25 series which are due to start shipping within the next few weeks.

Other than the ability to install optional interface boards, the VT25 will be perfect. It has all the ISFcc calibration controls, RS232 interface if needed, HDMI 1.4 10/12 bit support, etc.. They were using the 54" VT25 for most of the displays at the Panny booth. I'm planning to go with the 50" myself. It should couple nicely with an AJA Hi5-3G SDI to HDMI converter. Also the new BlackMagic converter looks just as good if not better, but they didn't have one hooked up to demo -- it was just in the display case.

I tried to find out about upcoming Pro plasma models and there was no information. One rep told me he was pretty sure the Pro series line was all going to be LCD now at sizes below 58" and they would keep the smaller plasmas only in the Viera line.

I checked out several other display solutions and I'm still going with a Panasonic plasma; TC-P50VT25. I really liked the JVC 46" that was EVERYWHERE at the show, but the $9K price tag was a little off-putting. Overall, I think I like the plasma better still. I love what the JVC and Hyundai, and even the Panasonic LCDs are doing with the 3D and passive polarized glasses, but I don't think it's the answer for studio editing and grading monitors due to the interlacing. OTOH, the Panasonic, Sony and Samsung active shutter glasses just suck. Panasonic has the beautiful plasmas, but the worst glasses.


Tim Morten said:
EDIT: But then this site has it at $66k, so I guess that's the actual price: http://www.preco.net/tvlogic/tvlogic_prices.html
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I was quoted $66K at the booth. I'm almost positive the panel itself is made by LG and that seems to jive with others commenting about the panel they are using costing about $28K just for the quad-HD panel itself. LG and Samsung have both shown quad-HD displays at CES and I believe the LG was on the show floor at NAB somewhere, but I didn't find it. They didn't have pricing at CES, it was just one of those future tech things.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Hey Tim,

Missed you at the RED event, I know you were there somewhere... As for the Panny plasmas, I could not get any info out of them on the NAB floor. It was a complete joke. I knew more about their display products than any of the Panny people I was able to talk to.

FWIW, there were no "pro series" displays smaller than 65" at their booth. Pretty much every display there, with the exception of the 85" to 152" in the theatre, were the new Viera VT25 series which are due to start shipping within the next few weeks.

Other than the ability to install optional interface boards, the VT25 will be perfect. It has all the ISFcc calibration controls, RS232 interface if needed, HDMI 1.4 10/12 bit support, etc.. They were using the 54" VT25 for most of the displays at the Panny booth. I'm planning to go with the 50" myself. It should couple nicely with an AJA Hi5-3G SDI to HDMI converter. Also the new BlackMagic converter looks just as good if not better, but they didn't have one hooked up to demo -- it was just in the display case.

I tried to find out about upcoming Pro plasma models and there was no information. One rep told me he was pretty sure the Pro series line was all going to be LCD now at sizes below 58" and they would keep the smaller plasmas only in the Viera line.

I checked out several other display solutions and I'm still going with a Panasonic plasma; TC-P50VT25. I really liked the JVC 46" that was EVERYWHERE at the show, but the $9K price tag was a little off-putting. Overall, I think I like the plasma better still. I love what the JVC and Hyundai, and even the Panasonic LCDs are doing with the 3D and passive polarized glasses, but I don't think it's the answer for studio editing and grading monitors due to the interlacing. OTOH, the Panasonic, Sony and Samsung active shutter glasses just suck. Panasonic has the beautiful plasmas, but the worst glasses.
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Hey man, yeah sorry I missed you too. I saw the line at 11am and bailed and came back at 3 and was pretty much there off and on until the party wrapped.

Anyway, I could not agree more about Panny Shutter glasses... vomit inducing within a minute. :frown2:

OK, thanks for all the useful information. We use the AJA now for our 58"
and 50" is ideal for our room sizes. thanks for the model numbers as well.

cheers
 
Tim / Jeff

Did either of you go for the TC-P50VT25 for monitoring? Any feedback on them?

Steve
 
The VT25 series is awesome. I've been rocking the 50" one here for 6 months or so. I don't recall off the top of my head what the equivalent Euro/UK model is.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
The VT25 series is awesome. I've been rocking the 50" one here for 6 months or so. I don't recall off the top of my head what the equivalent Euro/UK model is.
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Jeff, I thinks its the VT25 over here too. Its the 3D version isn't it? If you calibrate it, is it suitable for basic one light color correction?

Steve
 
Steve Johnson said:
Jeff, I thinks its the VT25 over here too. Its the 3D version isn't it? If you calibrate it, is it suitable for basic one light color correction?
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Have checked over here wi Panasonic UK and they tell me that the model over in the UK is the TX-P50VT20B. Cheapest price here is £1627 or about $2441

Does that sound about right? Anything else you would recommend for it? Does it link through the RED Rocket card for output or something else?

Steve
 
Yes, VT25 is the top-end Viera 3D model series. That sounds right for the UK model number and pricing seems comparable to here. I paid about $2400 back in May for my 50" VT25.

There are no SDI inputs on the display. It takes 8, 10 and 12bit input via HDMI. I'm using mine with the RED Rocket via the AJA Hi5-3G HD-SDI to HDMI converter and it works perfectly. There is also a new AJA converter -- the Hi5-3D, which is the same plus adds some 3D features and I would recommend looking at that one. I think it's the same price or even a bit cheaper.

With a good probe and software, you can dial it into REC-709 spec just fine. For broadcast work and most one-light CC jobs, this seems to be a wonderful display so far.
 
http://www.chimei-innolux.com/opencms/cmo/products/medical_display/products_medical_R278D1.html?__locale=en
27.8"(R278D1)
Model Name R278D1
Panel Size 27.8"
Technology IPS
Resolution 3840x2160
Pixel Pitch(mm) 0.1605
Active Area(mm) 616.32x346.68
Outline(mm) 649x385(87)
Luminance(nits) (600)
View Angle (U/D/R/L) 85° in all azimuth >CR 20:1
Contrast Ratio 800:1
Support Color 1.07G
Power Consumption (w) (200)
Response Time(ms) 25
Weight (g) (13600)
Electrical Interface LVDS
Mass Production 2011Q3
Remark 8 mega-pixel, 10-bit Driving
 
Mass Production 2011Q3

Thats fall of this year.
 
Why couldn't someone buy four 1080P panels from Samsung, which makes a dynamite 23" monitor, squeeze them together and have a 4K monitor? You can buy the monitors retail for about $200 so it seems to me it should be perfectly feasibly to do this affordably.

I suspect the problem is that the number of people who need 4K displays is just too small for mass production ... still, you should be able to sell approximately as many as RED cameras, no?

D
 
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David Dennis said:
Why couldn't someone buy four 1080P panels from Samsung, which makes a dynamite 23" monitor, squeeze them together and have a 4K monitor? You can buy the monitors retail for about $200 so it seems to me it should be perfectly feasibly to do this affordably.
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It's been done. Seen pictures posted, but I'm too lazy to google it at the moment. You still see noticeable seams when butting up the panels, but it's a start.

All things considered, Samsung makes an amazing 45" and 54" quad-HD panel. They have showed it at CES for three years in a row now. LG has both quad-HD panels and one actual 4K panel (60" I think).

They're all coming, the technology is here, they're just waiting for the market to catch up somewhat. Hopefully REDRAY and other forthcoming technologies will push the higher resolution displays to market quicker. The market was poised to jump all over quad-HD at CES '09. But then that whole 3D detour happened and monitor makers went that route instead of the higher resolution. It's all coming, but it's hard when TV makers are still stuck in this whole annually incremental paradigm. Kinda wish one of them would just get off their ass and build the TV we all know we'll be able to buy 6 to 8 years from now.

This is an old thread... And I think it's already been pointed out, but the TVLogic monitor uses one of the LG panels. They were asking a mint for it last year at NAB and I believe they were accepting pre-orders. But it looks like they were or are about the first and only to be selling such a display commercially. Most all other such high resolution displays out there are either monochrome and/or have slow response times and usually find their way into medical and military applications.
 
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