Peter Osinski
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http://www.ikonoskop.com/blog/back-on-track/
they are set to deliver in July with a limited pre release in April. Looks like they are on a close schedule to that of the 2/3" cinema
The Ikonoskop comes at a price of about 9600 american dollars and includes the following:
Camera w/ pl mount
Battery
9mm Lens
1 memory catridge
I would find that comparable in general purpose to
2/3" Cinema - 2750
Side CF Card Module - 500
RED 16GB CF Card - 300
Side Handle - 950
8mm RED mini prime - 950
2.8" LCD - 900
Total 6350
but lets consider the fact you'd pretty much need to buy a PL mount if you ever wanted a zoom on this thing because RED has said over and over they aren't making a 2/3" zoom
$6850 for cinema vs. $9600 for ikonoskop to get the following:
RAW recording, power, control, small form monitoring, 15 min worth of recording media, a wide angle lens, a PL mount for interchangeable lenses (there are multiple options available for both companies but I am using this for the example)
That seems like a pretty big difference in price especially when you consider the following:
RED's often confusing and complicated workflow is still more solid than the somewhat nonexistent workflow of cinema DNG, and that Cinema DNG seems like it may be an Adobe only thing for a while leaving out FCP users until and if apple decides to pick this up
Cinema has higher resolution, and higher frame rates with smaller file sizes
more recording format options (3k, 1080p, 720p), versatility in its ability to be built up or down (compared to the d II which is limited to a smaller battery, one type of recording media, only records 1080p, and has limited I/O options down the road),
generally more features such as gps and what not
On the other hand I give ikonoskop a point because it's "complete package" won't involve any stray wires for monitoring options and its longer depth/ shorter height body could be beneficial in certain circumstances.
In europe this camera will be going for 6950 euros. It would seem to me that the increased price for americans because of the exhange rate alone could potentially be a deciding factor for someone in the states picking between the two cameras, as compared to someone in europe who isn't affected by the global value of the dollar when choosing his camera.
I have been trying to follow the development of both cameras as closely as possible but I may have gotten some of the details wrong. Also, I of course realize that both of these cameras are unreleased and many aspects can change still before they are released.
I would love to hear any comments, or criticisms of my comparison (which is done in the context of an budget conscious indie/doc filmmaker doing product research). I know this is the scarlet subforum but by all means if someone wants to throw in a few more reasons to go with the ikonoskop then do so and we'll just say you were playing devil's advocate
they are set to deliver in July with a limited pre release in April. Looks like they are on a close schedule to that of the 2/3" cinema
The Ikonoskop comes at a price of about 9600 american dollars and includes the following:
Camera w/ pl mount
Battery
9mm Lens
1 memory catridge
I would find that comparable in general purpose to
2/3" Cinema - 2750
Side CF Card Module - 500
RED 16GB CF Card - 300
Side Handle - 950
8mm RED mini prime - 950
2.8" LCD - 900
Total 6350
but lets consider the fact you'd pretty much need to buy a PL mount if you ever wanted a zoom on this thing because RED has said over and over they aren't making a 2/3" zoom
$6850 for cinema vs. $9600 for ikonoskop to get the following:
RAW recording, power, control, small form monitoring, 15 min worth of recording media, a wide angle lens, a PL mount for interchangeable lenses (there are multiple options available for both companies but I am using this for the example)
That seems like a pretty big difference in price especially when you consider the following:
RED's often confusing and complicated workflow is still more solid than the somewhat nonexistent workflow of cinema DNG, and that Cinema DNG seems like it may be an Adobe only thing for a while leaving out FCP users until and if apple decides to pick this up
Cinema has higher resolution, and higher frame rates with smaller file sizes
more recording format options (3k, 1080p, 720p), versatility in its ability to be built up or down (compared to the d II which is limited to a smaller battery, one type of recording media, only records 1080p, and has limited I/O options down the road),
generally more features such as gps and what not
On the other hand I give ikonoskop a point because it's "complete package" won't involve any stray wires for monitoring options and its longer depth/ shorter height body could be beneficial in certain circumstances.
In europe this camera will be going for 6950 euros. It would seem to me that the increased price for americans because of the exhange rate alone could potentially be a deciding factor for someone in the states picking between the two cameras, as compared to someone in europe who isn't affected by the global value of the dollar when choosing his camera.
I have been trying to follow the development of both cameras as closely as possible but I may have gotten some of the details wrong. Also, I of course realize that both of these cameras are unreleased and many aspects can change still before they are released.
I would love to hear any comments, or criticisms of my comparison (which is done in the context of an budget conscious indie/doc filmmaker doing product research). I know this is the scarlet subforum but by all means if someone wants to throw in a few more reasons to go with the ikonoskop then do so and we'll just say you were playing devil's advocate
