REDCODE RAW 42 - Framerates

[severin schultze]

Hello,

anyone out there who could tell me if RC 42 is just an option to capture in 4K (HD, ANA, 16:9, etc.) or can i use it to capture at any of the given resolutions? Furthermore i'd like to know which storage solution is supported at what kind of framerates (CF, RED-Drive, Red-Ram)?

Details are greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Severin

 

[Dylan Macleod CSC]

Hello,

anyone out there who could tell me if RC 42 is just an option to capture in 4K (HD, ANA, 16:9, etc.) or can i use it to capture at any of the given resolutions? Furthermore i'd like to know which storage solution is supported at what kind of framerates (CF, RED-Drive, Red-Ram)?

Details are greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Severin

I'd like to know this as well.

In the MX test I did a couple of weeks ago we were unable to shoot at RC42 at 23.98 at 16:9 with a Hard Drive. We didn't spend that much time messing around to see if there was something else we could do to make it work, but it did make me wonder...

 

[Jamie Havill]

I'd like to know this as well.

In the MX test I did a couple of weeks ago we were unable to shoot at RC42 at 23.98 at 16:9 with a Hard Drive. We didn't spend that much time messing around to see if there was something else we could do to make it work, but it did make me wonder...

Same. We were unable to use Redcode42 with the camera set at 4K 2:1 and 25fps. We were using a HD also. Maybe its limited to CF cards?

 

[Dylan Macleod CSC]

Same. We were unable to use Redcode42 with the camera set at 4K 2:1 and 25fps. We were using a HD also. Maybe its limited to CF cards?

Usually the drive is the media that is most likely to work. We didn't try a 16GB card.

 

[Jamie Havill]

Usually the drive is the media that is most likely to work. We didn't try a 16GB card.

I only deduced that because we didn't try the cards either. Hopefully someone will chime in soon and let us know for sure.

 

[Nick Shaw]

There's a table of supported combinations in the manual

 

[Mike Burke]

In the MX test I did a couple of weeks ago we were unable to shoot at RC42 at 23.98 at 16:9 with a Hard Drive. We didn't spend that much time messing around to see if there was something else we could do to make it work, but it did make me wonder...

My research shows that RC42 does not support shooting 4K 16:9, only the following: 4K 2:1, ANA, HD & 4.5K WS. I have found the same limitation with our camera, with no explanation. This includes using REDFLASH, RED-DRIVE, or RED RAM.

 

[severin schultze]

There's a table of supported combinations in the manual

Great! Thanks a lot.

- Severin

 

[severin schultze]

I'm still missing information about frame rates. The table just shows which base frame rates are working with the RC's and the media. I was looking for actual frame rates.
Anyone?

- Severin

 

[Mike Burke]

I'm still missing information about frame rates. The table just shows which base frame rates are working with the RC's and the media. I was looking for actual frame rates.
Anyone?

- Severin

Those are maximum frame rates possible, based on RC, resolution, & media. P.69.

 

[severin schultze]

Those are maximum frame rates possible, based on RC, resolution, & media. P.69.

Those are base frame rates. But have a look on p.40.
That's what i was looking for :001_smile:

- Severin

 

[Mike Burke]

Those are base frame rates. But have a look on p.40.
That's what i was looking for :001_smile:

- Severin

Oh, I see now.
You're interested in "Varispeed" rates.

 

[Mike Burke]

Same. We were unable to use Redcode42 with the camera set at 4K 2:1 and 25fps. We were using a HD also. Maybe its limited to CF cards?

This is interesting. Jamie, are using an M-X or original Mysterium sensor?
I've just confirmed the ability to record RC42, 4K 2:1, 25fps, Build 30, RED DRIVE, on an original sensor camera.
I wonder what has changed?

 

[Dylan Macleod CSC]

Those are maximum frame rates possible, based on RC, resolution, & media. P.69.

According to that table you should be able to shoot 24fps 4K 16:9 at RC42.

My assistant is prepping today and was unable to format the drive with this set up. At RC36, no problem.

Can we shoot 24fps 4K 16:9 RC42?

 

[Dylan Macleod CSC]

Hmmmm. No comments huh?

So I guess my first day on set tomorrow with MX will be RC36...

 

[David Battistella]

Graeme has stated that rc 28 is plenty of resolution for almost any situation. Rc36 can help in high detail scenes (foliage,etc). Rc 42 it seems is there to boost resolution on formats that record less vertical resolutions 2:1 or 4.5ws to maybe make up for the vertical pixels you give up shooting those frame sizes.

As an aside there is far to great a fixation on these 28 36 42 stuff i have yet to see a test showing descernable differences between them. Could some gfx person do this test. The perception of more quality because the number is higher gets boring.

David

 

[Dylan Macleod CSC]

Graeme has stated that rc 28 is plenty of resolution for almost any situation. Rc36 can help in high detail scenes (foliage,etc). Rc 42 it seems is there to boost resolution on formats that record less vertical resolutions 2:1 or 4.5ws to maybe make up for the vertical pixels you give up shooting those frame sizes.

As an aside there is far to great a fixation on these 28 36 42 stuff i have yet to see a test showing descernable differences between them. Could some gfx person do this test. The perception of more quality because the number is higher gets boring.

David

Yeah. I'm not too worried.

Just think it is funny that it says you can do it in the manual and this thread has been up for a week and no one from RED has offered any input.

Hopefully they are busily installing new sensors. My camera is sitting it it out tomorrow while it waits for the upgrade call.

:-(

 

[David Battistella]

Yeah. I'm not too worried.

Just think it is funny that it says you can do it in the manual and this thread has been up for a week and no one from RED has offered any input.

Hopefully they are busily installing new sensors. My camera is sitting it it out tomorrow while it waits for the upgrade call.

:-(

Too bad. The R 1. Looks absolutely fantastic with build 30. Ifeel that it is much less noisy than ever an you can easily push the images much furthur. I've done a few shoots on the new build and I am very happy with it.

I'm waiting for the call but with R1 to R1-mx ratio about 700 to one right now I'm surprised you are loosing rentals already.


David

 

[Dylan Macleod CSC]

Too bad. The R 1. Looks absolutely fantastic with build 30. Ifeel that it is much less noisy than ever an you can easily push the images much furthur. I've done a few shoots on the new build and I am very happy with it.

I'm waiting for the call but with R1 to R1-mx ratio about 700 to one right now I'm surprised you are poising rentals already.

David

The MX sensor is far superior to the "old" sensor. No question.

It would not be in my best interest to use the old sensor (my camera) from a "DP" standpoint. Although the "business manager" in me is cursing.

 

[David Battistella]

The MX sensor is far superior to the "old" sensor. No question.

It would not be in my best interest to use the old sensor (my camera) from a "DP" standpoint. Although the "business manager" in me is cursing.

Funny thing is this. Not many post houses are equiped to actually equiped to use the new color science and chances are that while the capture may be better the image pipeline is the same because no sdk has been released with redline.

Weird. Effed if you do. Effed if you don't.

4k just ain't what it used to be. Well lit is well lit. It's a creative choice. R1's still rock.

David.