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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

What would you do different ?

I would have had the actors use more hand gestures*.

*snarky/humorous comment
 
I'd like some more grading, some of the shots look a bit flat.

Dust on the lens;oops.

Loved the part with the Wiener Schnauze.

Didnt like the fake lens flare.

Never let your talent wear mirror shades.

...and where is Sanjin?
 
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Seems like a lot of the shots were setup into the sun, making it difficult to pull the faces out of the shadows. Contrast suffered as a result.

It's nit picky... but there are some strobing light sources in a few of the shots which are distracting.

How are you connected to the production?
 
Brandon Kraemer said:
Seems like a lot of the shots were setup into the sun, making it difficult to pull the faces out of the shadows. Contrast suffered as a result.

It's nit picky... but there are some strobing light sources in a few of the shots which are distracting.

How are you connected to the production?
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Im not connected to the production.
I think you are very much right on the "setup into the sun" issue.
As much I know there was no budget for lightning
 
I don't really know what you're asking. If you're asking about why the trailer looks better than the video, there are plenty of reasons.

For one, the trailer has a real variety of shots: day and night exteriors, both with interesting camera movement and on sticks. There are a variety of lenses used, each appropriate to the shot scale and subject matter. They interiors and night exteriors are well lit. The music video appears to be shot solely on steadicam with one or two wide angle lenses and with no lights or reflectors.

If you're comparing day exteriors only, the differences aren't that vast. The music video seems to use minimal (or no) lighting, maybe a small reflector or two at best. The sun is all over the place and it's shot primarily during midday, which is bad practice. In the trailer, most of the shots are from earlier or later in the day (when the sun is kinder and contrast less extreme) and the DP has smartly placed the sun behind the talent (or at a 3/4 or sidelight angle) whenever possible and he appears to use light, leaves, butterflies, and reflectors to decent effect in most instances. There are problems, though; the tracking two-hot halfway through has faces underexposed by a few stops to hold highlight detail. A film that was shot better would have nailed a better exposure, pulled faces up in power windows, or used a big white reflector/softbox or at least placed bleached muslin along the path the talent was walking down. But overall this trailer is shot way, way better than anything I've done so I won't nit pick.... It's also graded fairly well, with highlights tinted so as to fall off softer. Also, it's hard to light or get good reflectors for wide shots with wide lenses, particularly steadicam shots with substantial figure movement, so the music video would not have been easy to light well from the get-go.

From a directorial standpoint, the differences aren't even worth examining. The video is terrible in terms of concept and execution.

If you're wondering why one looks good and plays well and one doesn't, it's likely because one has a good director and dp (and a budget) and the other does not. You can't get that kind of talent (let alone money) from reading a message board, just from years of practice and learning.
 
Merhaba Deniz :)
Could you be more precise with your comparison? I'm assuming that you're comparing the exterior shots from "adini sen koy" with the music video.

Without getting too much into it and knowing which shots you're comparing i'd say the difference is lighting.
 
I think one of the biggest issues I see with your music video is that the white balance is all over the place. It almos looks like the footage is RAW, directly from the camera. Many scenes are cool and lack any skin tone color or detail. With a good post process, this video could look alot better than it does. As it is, it is very flat, scenes don't match and the white balance just looks off.
How many members of this band are there by the way? i lost count :)
The woman wearing white and blue is a hottie by the way :)
 
Eren Ozkural said:
Merhaba Deniz :)
Could you be more precise with your comparison? I'm assuming that you're comparing the exterior shots from "adini sen koy" with the music video.

Without getting too much into it and knowing which shots you're comparing i'd say the difference is lighting.
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Merhaba Eren,
Im not camparing at all. I have a simple question:
"would you shoot with a Red One whitout lightning or go regular HD
and could afford lightning ?"
The reason i want to know is because im a Austrian producer as well
 
Your question shows a big misunderstanding of the issue.

You don't need lights outdoors. The day exteriors in that trailer could have been shot without lights, instead with a package of a 12X12 butterfly, a few reflectors, c-stands with cookies and camo nets, bleached muslin, etc. That would cost about $100-$200 a day to rent, which is virtually nothing.

However, you absolutely do need lights for night exteriors and most interiors (unless you're Soderbergh and are going for a very specific look). Most importantly, you need a talented crew. And if you can't afford a few hundred dollars a day in grip equipment, how can you afford a talented DP, good locations, good lenses, good set design, a good editor, a good color grader, etc. Let alone good actors?

Lights are not the issue here, and you can't extrapolate from comparing two very different videos (especially when you don't know anything about the production circumstances surrounding them) what factors would apply to getting high production value on your own projects.
 
Deniz Dikmen said:
"would you shoot with a Red One whitout lightning or go regular HD
and could afford lightning ?"
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I don't see how some kind of lighting, or a pre-production plan to use the sun effectively (angles, time of day) is optional in a production, regardless of what format your shooting on. It's not a question of format, it's about having a plan to paint with light.

Color grading is not a cure all, you have to have some decent footage to start with. I am not saying this music video could not quality as "decent", but it's lacking in ways that more pre-production could have accomplished. The best part is pre-pro, while not free, is very cheap compared to lights, crew, and post.
 
You can have a badly lit scene and it would look horrible if it was shot on the Red One or a digital Harinezumi.

I get the feeling that you're not comparing the two videos in a very technical manner but more from a financial stand point (as a producer).

If I've understood you right, your real question seems to be "These two videos are shot on the RED. One of them looks bad, the other looks good. How do I make sure the Red looks good? Does it cost a lot of money?"

If we're talking about day exteriors and your choice is "Red without lights or another HD camera with a lighting package" my advice is go for the Red. As others have pointed out good planning and relatively cheap equipment can make for beautiful day exteriors.

If we're talking about entirely different scenes such as interiors and night shoots then you will obviously need lights. Black is black wether it's in 4K or 1080p :)

There are a lot of other factors to think of when renting any digital cinema camera including workflow.
 
I think the main differences are the talent of the Director/DOP and the grading.

The shots looked somewhat home video, both in framing and grading.

I think a lot of people shoot Red because they think it will give them the edge. But in the end it just does what the operator tells it to do, and if someone's project looked ordinary on HDV, chances are it will also look ordinary on Red.
 
I don't see any color grading to speak of in the music video. A lot of the highlights are blown out seemingly unnecessarily. Under the bridge they could have used a 1/2 grad ND to keep the city exposed better. I would say whoever shot this either had no budget or no experience.
 
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