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Age 8 mother gave me her old hasselblad 500 c/m with all lenses. Age 13 as a gift for christmas I got a Canon GL1 and XL1, with first mac pro. I began on one of the earliest versions of iMovie. Age 16 got my first HD cameras my canon XH A1's and later next year a macpro and my Sony EX3. Also later that year I began as an intern in July for Indiana Jones 4.

I have grown up around photographers in my family but I wished to do video. Hawaii Volcanoes National Park was my back yard and with the Big Island Film Office enforcing my creative needs I became to what I am today. While most kids watched movies I watched the making of the films, and watching documentaries. My mother did 25 years of photography and spent years taking photos for green-peace. Many a photographer and director have waltzed through Hawaii making documentaries covering the environment, the geological aspects of Hawaii as much as all of our endangered plants and animals in Hawaii.

F**k the tools. It's only and will ever only be about the pure raw talent. You watch and learn, become passionate and not through theory but experience you will get to where you need to get to.

Seldom a day goes by when I see a youtube video diminishing and placing creative professionals in the dark.

Being a kid growing up in an adult world is not easy. Now more than ever in my pathetic insignificant short life, have I understood why people make documentaries. I wish to make a long forum documentary series like "Planet Earth," but featuring Hawaii and the ever developing ecosystems. Thats what I wish to do.

The documentary I'm currently working on gave me the opportunity to get what I needed to make the nature documentary I wish to make. the BJ Penn show was my way into what I love. Regardless you learn from experience and get better. This TV show I'm working on will give me that.
 
Jesse,

Bottom line (for me anyway)...

If what you are posting is true, then...

1) The network is screwing you. Really hard.

2) Because of that, you are doing what you have to do. But, doing what you have to do is asking for skilled services for free.

3) Being a professional means getting paid... and paying for services rendered.

My first gig in college was as an intern at a Recording Studio. I cleared ashtrays and got the Engineers coffee and weed. It was a shit job that I was thrilled to be doing. But, I got paid.

It's about respect for your colleagues. Would *you* do the job you are asking other people to do?

This is not a slam at you personally - I just really don't like it when I see anybody in any industry getting asked to work for free for "the experience."

Lucas
 
I think we all get your rationale.

The thing that stirs the reaction is more that a network offers a crappy deal, than the surprise that someone jumps at it.

It IS good for experience.

The bad thing is that you, or your interns may get stuck in an unsustainable economical model that - if it takes over the industry - eventually will make it all implode.

The same thing could be said about RED...

It opens new oportunities, and kills off old business models.

But in the end, people will have to get paid if they are to continue working.

+ what Lucas said...
 
Everything is a learning experience. My boss has her agent, and he manages my bosses productions, like my production. The Osbrink agency in LA. They are treating my production as if it were a trial run, like a pilot episode. If they see what I produce and like it full contracts and and anti screwing policy would be signed in sweet ink.

When your 18 and an unknown talent like myself. A more than generic TV deal is enough to make and get what I need on the most vapid level. So far I like it.
 
Jesse Tunison said:
May it be lobster or chicken noodle everyone will be fed what they wish. Every suite at each hotel costs at least $800.00 a night.
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Just a thought, is somebody going to pay for those hotel rooms and lobster?

bob torrance
 
Well, here is a little secret. You won't always be 18. Eventually you will want to make a living. Eventually you will want to work on something where you are surrounded with professionals instead of hungry kids. If you establish yourself as the guy who can deliver and hour of television for 29 cents, then you will become the go-to guy for 29 cent television. What makes you think these guys are going to raise the bid if this show pays off? And how do you know this show won't crash and burn?
Anyway, best of luck. We were all young once...
 
$800/night for hotel rooms. An "internship" without college credit. It's got HUGE potential to be seen by super-awesome network execs and aired on Spike TV!

This should be on Craigslist, not Reduser. Hell, even on Craigslist this ad would be flagged faster than you can say "slave labor."

With all due respect, of course.
 
Jesse Tunison said:
Everything is a learning experience. My boss has her agent, and he manages my bosses productions, like my production. The Osbrink agency in LA. They are treating my production as if it were a trial run, like a pilot episode. If they see what I produce and like it full contracts and and anti screwing policy would be signed in sweet ink.

When your 18 and an unknown talent like myself. A more than generic TV deal is enough to make and get what I need on the most vapid level. So far I like it.
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Hi Jesse.
I imagine the reason why some responses to you are heated is that most people in the creative industries get burned. Many 'creatives' are good at their craft and not good at business. After getting burned many times fresh, adventurous, creative people develop a critical, hard-assed edge. You are bearing the brunt of some of this at the moment.

Your first big job is never handed to you on a platter. How you negotiate and handle yourself in that job could mean the difference between you creating a successful career for yourself or you becoming the guy who works for someone else and complains all day. The decisions you make now determine your future.

I applaud your 'getup and go for it' attitude, your desire to give all you've got, and your ambition.
I have three suggestions if you are interested:
1) Don't give up, because it seems tough and you are copping flak from professionals.
2) There is obviously a budget here. Even when there is 'not another cent spare', finance is still available. I suggest you go into bat for the interns and for yourself and negotiate some pay. If you stay 'strong' in the negotiation, you will be able to negotiate some pay for your interns. This will benefit you far more than it will benefit the interns. You will benefit throughout the production and you will develop a respectful reputation.
3) Make sure you have a contract in place before you commence that includes all the things you were promised including what happens if the project is successful. If you don't have a contract, don't start the job. Handshakes on this side of the deal often turns to lawyers on the other side of the deal. Without a contract, you and your crew will have nothing to stand on. And you will be viewed as the guy who screwed everyone.

Best of luck
Joe
 
I think the question is how many hours do they get for their $600,000? And who controls that budget? This sounds to me like a lot of deals that turn to smoke in the end.
 
This is a great thread. I wish Jesse good luck with his project and I think he got some very good advice from everybody. But in the end he has to make his own mistakes and learn from them. I still make mistakes all the time...

at his age I would have jumped at the opportunity. He would be stupid not to do it. If he is really willing to spend $800/night on hotel rooms for his crew, feed them and allow them to travel to all those exotic places mentioned, than it actually is a very enticing offer. Why should any young person in his right mind turn that down? It sounds adventurous and they will learn a lot (and you don´t need to have pros around to learn... trial and error is a great way to gather experience)...

Jesse, go for it! But treat your interns fair and give them respect for their work. A filmmaker is nothing without a reliable crew. I wish you guys a great time!

And by the way... I´ve heard a million times how people that do things for little money will only be asked to do projects for little money in the future... that´s nonsense... you can always raise your fees later. There is almost no way to get started in the industry without taking some risks. I bet almost everybody here has done something for free or very little to get their foot into a certain door. Look at a lot of successful commercial directors that feel typecast and stuck with doing certain kinds of commercials... they go out and shoot a spec to show clients what else they´re capable of doing...
 
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