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Looking For Two Interns

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Jesse Tunison

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I am looking for an intern in my editorial department and another intern for my field crew.

Field Crew: Able to manage a RED camera and a ENG sound kit.

Editorial: Capable of ingesting and cataloging RED footage into a FCP bay.
 
Ok firstly you should give out some more info. Which part of the world? Would you cover the travel charges of an intern? What kind of shooting for how long exactly where? What do you mean by ENG sound?

Secondly your profile says you're 18 years old, so I don't how how old or young the "intern" should be?
 
Yes I'm 18. I have 2 XH A1s. 1 Sony PMW EX3. 2 Sony PDW 700's. And recently 2 RED Ones.
I am directing a documentary film and TV show that will be aired on spike. The documentary and show is about UFC fighter BJ Penn who I know. BJ Penn resides in Hilo Hawaii and I live twenty one miles from him. I also work for a non-profit production studio. The TV show and documentary have only been given travel expenses and equipment expenses. Pending the results that the documentary will produce they will then issue payroll for all involved parties on the show and documentary. The producer and my self are getting paid but for the documentary or TV show. Nobody gets paid until the documentary is finished. We are travailing to Rio de Janeiro, Japan, China, Las Vegas, London, Czech Republic, New Zealand, Here in Hawaii and Argentina. The shoot will last 6 months.
 
Boy, I love to see the way the documentary business is going. What a great business model for somebody. And there always seems to be somebody willing to pull the oars on the production slave-ships, to pick the cotton on the production plantations, because they think they'll get their foot in the door.

I wonder what the insurance coverage will be for all those eager "interns" when they get food poisoning in China or hit by a car in the Czech Republic. I wonder what the hotel rooms will be like. I wonder how the schedules organized by the "producers" will work out, how many hours a day they will work, and of course, how the footage will look.

Oh well, you are only young once...
 
That's what it sounds like...

You are allowed to travel all these places with (basic?) expenses covered to produce a doc for someone...

Ican see whom these kind of deals may attract. Calling it " intern" is fun, though... "Extern" would be more to the point.
 
First off, don't ask for an "intern" unless this is truly an internship and can be credible toward internship requirements at a recognized institution.

Internship does not always mean free labor and it never means slave labor.
You have a decent collection of camera gear, but no budget? This is being produced to air on Spike TV... do you have an actual production agreement?

The yin isn't balancing with the yang on this one. Just my $0.02
 
Jesse Tunison said:
The TV show and documentary have only been given travel expenses and equipment expenses. Pending the results that the documentary will produce they will then issue payroll for all involved parties on the show and documentary. The producer and my self are getting paid but for the documentary or TV show. Nobody gets paid until the documentary is finished. We are travailing to Rio de Janeiro, Japan, China, Las Vegas, London, Czech Republic, New Zealand, Here in Hawaii and Argentina. The shoot will last 6 months.
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In other words, you are doing a show on spec. And while YOU will be paid and covered, nobody else will be. So you are asking people to work for free, pay for their own food, and everything outside the most basic expenses.

I'll cut you some slack because you're 18 and this looks like an awesome opportunity in your eyes. And you will probably, overall, have a blast doing this.

But just so you know - if this is the deal that the network has offered you - you are getting screwed hard. Really hard. Nobody - and I mean NOBODY - in the professional world offers a deal like this seriously. If I were you, I would take a step back and try to remove yourself from the excitement of this project and take a cold look at what you are being asked to do. Don't set a precedent for yourself of getting taken advantage of, which then forces you to try and take advantage of other people.

Get paid for your work, and pay others for theirs. Be a professional.

Lucas

Lucas Wilson
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Director, Business Development
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
If it is in fact true that Spike is actually approving of this process that makes it all the works. It means that the rest of the doco world is expected to compete with this level of cost to produce a product.

If I don't have an entire staff of unpaid recruits working for me, I dont know how I'd be able to stay competitive. Maybe I should have more children and put them to work for free.

Oh wait, my kids like to eat...maybe not the best idea.
 
This is just some young kids trying to hustle. Don't kill 'em. A lot of us were there once.

Jesse, just a word of advice though...if you do your best to present yourselves as professionals (and I know why you are, because you're trying to be taken seriously at a young age), be aware that with the professional language ("interns") and the professional manner, there are some expectations that go along with that. Professional crew members, whether experienced or just beginning, expect there to be a real cash flow. Otherwise it's not a job, it's a collection of like minded people puling together to develop work.

If you do not have a signed deal with Spike or a job runner, then you are doing a spec job, and you need to tell people this...because it sounds like that's what you are doing.

Good luck, you're clearly very driven for your age and have a leg up. Just be careful with your hustle...there's lots of young producers in Los Angeles that burn bridges because they hustle too much.
 
May it be lobster or chicken noodle everyone will be fed what they wish. Every suite at each hotel costs at least $800.00 a night. Interns will receive all but payment. Preferably interns that originally residing in the state of Hawaii if not the Big Island of Hawaii. Being well aware of the fact in perspective I look like a bitter and vindictive blood sucking c**t.
I do no conditions are tough, and having use to be an intern myself on Indiana Jones Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and a few other productions like the Tempest that filmed in Hawaii last year, I know that it's not easy if it not be called "slave labor." If no interns this year then my future productions will most certainly have interns on a pay roll next year (2010 Fall). What I ask is like a snowflake to survive in hell, and I'm more than aware of it.

Anything is possible it's just a matter of how the hell your going to do it.
 
Way to go Jesse.

I do not know if all you other guys started with a $1000 a day rates, full benefits and an assistant that dusts your bottom with gold powder three times a day - but I would have killed for an opportunity like that when I was 18 !!!
 
Huh, when I was 18 I was getting paid the going rate for the job I was doing. People doing the work for cheap just ruins the business for everyone, and makes the product crappier, thereby lowering expectations, etc, etc. What passes for a "documentary" these days is pretty sad.

Nick
 
If this is an honest offer, ad Jesse has not been given the budget, and He him self is not taking a Paid of more then covering absolute minimum expenses, then I consider this a tremendous offer for any one!!

The experience gained in doing such a project, would be of great use in the real world, no matter the age, if you don't have the experience here is a great opportunity to make some.

I have done so much FREE work, and continue to do, just be it to help others, and or to simply want to be part of a project I think will bring me added experience and knowledge, if I see that there is no money for no one, I'l do it if I can, if I see that some one is simply trying to take advantage of my good will then is a different story.

I don't know Jesse, and I don't know is truthfulness in the production of this Documentary, and if He might have more money to allow a small payment to the two Interns, but if He is telling the truth and does not have a penny to be able to make good on a minimum salary for the two interns, then I still think that those that do want the experience and have no other thing to do, other then seating at home, they should not think about it a second time, and absolutely jump on this opportunity.

So Jesse, assuming that you are honestly offering this opportunity to the two interns, and do not posses the capacity to pay them, then I wish you the best of luck in finding them and for you guys to really brake a leg on this show!

Just remember, and absolutely never forget what this guys will be doing for you, and never for a moment let that out of your mind, as they deserve respect all the way, as if they were Professionals getting paid thousands of dollar a day.
 
If you want a 19 year old that can carry around a RED, let me know.

As long as I have all expenses covered I assume :biggrin:
 
People who deliver a product with a budget that doesn't pay people only encourage the cable systems to ask others to do the same kind of thing. It is one thing to provide a great opportunity for young people to learn the crafts. It is another thing altogether to exploit them. And to be honest, what can be learned when there are no professionals on-board? And how good can the product be?

I must say, though (speaking as a producer) this young guy Jessie seems to be showing a lot of the required canabalistic traits of a producer at a very early age...

He may go far...
 
Nick Gardner said:
Huh, when I was 18 I was getting paid the going rate for the job I was doing. People doing the work for cheap just ruins the business for everyone, and makes the product crappier, thereby lowering expectations, etc, etc. What passes for a "documentary" these days is pretty sad.
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Exactly.

The real problem is that in this industry, there are too many people who want "in" and think they can get their foot in the door by polishing boots for free on low-budget productions. Kinda like thinking they can get "in" by buying a $25K camera package. But I digress..

Just ask yourself. For the "intern" who is to do data logging... What would the going rate be for a data manager and backup operator at a datacenter or similar IT-oriented job. $10-$12 per hour her in the USA maybe. ($20 to $25 K per year). Sorry, but you don't see too many ads on Craigslist or in the classifieds that read like this:
"Wanted intern to do logging of multimedia database entires for SomeBig Insurnace Corp. No pay, but lots of travel, we pay all expenses and you get to work from sun-up to whenever you're done, but hey, we'll feed you."

Jesse Tunison said:
May it be lobster or chicken noodle everyone will be fed what they wish. Every suite at each hotel costs at least $800.00 a night.
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Sounds nice...

Interns will receive all but payment.
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Er... Given the above commentary about meals, $800/night hotel suites, and then the unpaid interns, can we say misappropriation of funds? Sorry, this still sounds like a really noob attempt at a Hollywood hustle. Either that or whoever is planning the budget for this is just a dumbass.
 
If I was 18 again I would do it for free, if I´d get a percentage of the profits if the doc sells. If you invest 6 months of your time and energy and share the risk it would be more than fair to benefit from gains.
 
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