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Angenieux 20-120mm T2.9

Andrae Palmer

Andrae Palmer

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Bought this lens off Tim Whitcomb and i'm quite proud of it. It's even more excellent than I thought it would be. Sharp, slight lens breathing, no ramping... was a late model (circa 1981) and just serviced by Duclos. Can't wait to film a project with it.
 
C.H.Haskell said:
Congrats! Looks like a great choice, look forward to seeing it in action.
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Thanks! Did you get the 25-250 HP you were looking for? That's my next Angenieux lens to acquire. Wish I could afford an HR. Played around with the original 25-250 and liked the look of the lens... albeit everything else mechanical wise was bad.
 
Very nice acquisition. Can't wait to see some clips, hint, hint.:beer:

I have picked up a nice selection of old zooms over the past year to try on the 2/3" Scarlet Cinema. It is going to be interesting to see how they perform compared to the fixed lens version.
 




 
arghh too much saturated.. or is your monitor definitely needing calibration? :sarcasm:
 
Andrae,

Nice shots! I love the warm tones...and like you I favor some nice saturation.

I've been looking into old Angenieux zooms since Red was announced several years ago (actually almost 4 years ago now) because they were a little easier on the wallet. I know that they're not the favorite of some people I talk to, however, I really enjoy the look they produce. What would someone expect to pay on average for the 20-120 2.9?

Congrats on the lens,

Omar
 
Andrae, I have been following this thread and the other one, it's great to finally see some picture's of the lens and of what it produces, I too cannot wait to see what you produce with it as I'm very interested in buying this lens. It sure is big.

Have you conjured up any more useful info on it?
 
Omar Saad said:
Andrae,

Nice shots! I love the warm tones...and like you I favor some nice saturation.

I've been looking into old Angenieux zooms since Red was announced several years ago (actually almost 4 years ago now) because they were a little easier on the wallet. I know that they're not the favorite of some people I talk to, however, I really enjoy the look they produce. What would someone expect to pay on average for the 20-120 2.9?

Congrats on the lens,

Omar
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Am I right in the region of $750 to $1000?
 
Omar Saad said:
What would someone expect to pay on average for the 20-120 2.9?
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Omar,

I think on average these lenses are going for $3600. The only sale i've seen on ebay is around $4100. Visual Products carries them for $3650 - $3750 with a PL mount. I paid $3500 for mine in the sales section on here. It was a good deal considering the lens was just recently serviced by Duclos in August and the lens is also a later model. I would advise you to pay for the lens based on the serial number/year of production and the last time it was serviced. These lenses have gone up in value due to all the RED cameras on the market. Perhaps a few years back they were a thousand or less... that's not the case anymore. Even the crappy 25-250 original is going for close to 2k on ebay. I love that lens BTW.

This site has the serials list:
http://forum.mflenses.com/angenieux-lenses-by-serial-number-t10297.html

I'm still trying to find out what year these lenses started/ended production. I'll call Angenieux and ask them tomorrow.

Rbs-ent said:
Have you conjured up any more useful info on it?
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I'll call Jean Marc at Angenieux, New Jersey for some more info. From my observations what I've noticed are these:

1. These lenses are super sharp
2. They can be used as a variable prime (maintains focus through all focal lengths, fast zoom)
3. They breathe slightly (very little)
4. At focal lengths of 100mm compared to the RED Pro Prime... they are sharper. I haven't tested other focal lengths. I heard the RPP 100mm is not the best.
5. The RPP 100mm was a complete white out when facing direct sunlight... don't know if this is what people mean by veiling flare. The Angenieux at 100mm didn't have this issue... strong distinct bokeh blade patterns but no veiling.

I've heard others say that these lenses vary in quality especially regarding sharpness... its vital that you buy a lens that was recently serviced or that you plan to service it yourself. Mine is very sharp... I've heard others say theirs are also very sharp.
 
Rbs-ent said:
Am I right in the region of $750 to $1000?
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Unfortunately that was probably the pre-Red price circa 2006. I think that cine lenses have appreciated more than gold over the same time period.

Andrae Palmer said:
Omar,

I think on average these lenses are going for $3600. The only sale i've seen on ebay is around $4100. Visual Products carries them for $3650 - $3750 with a PL mount. I paid $3500 for mine in the sales section on here. It was a good deal considering the lens was just recently serviced by Duclos in August and the lens is also a later model. I would advise you to pay for the lens based on the serial number/year of production and the last time it was serviced.
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Thanks for the info Andrae. I'm surprised (pleasantly) to hear that this zoom is so sharp. Getting one of these serviced would surely be money well spent considering their age. Looking forward to seeing what you shoot with it.

Best,

Omar
 
Andrae Palmer said:
2. They are variable primes (maintains focus through all focal lengths)
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Hi Andrae,

Any Cine zoom should hold focus throughout it's focus range. A Variable prime implies 'prime lens' quality in a zoom.

I have a 20-120 in BNCR mount that I will put on Ebay soon. I did not realise the prices were so high.

Stephen
 
Andrae,

I can see you are happy and like it.

Similar vintage zoom lenses can make very nice and original look that you can't achieve with the newest zooms.

That's why Panavision have more than 14.000 lenses in their rental stock that customers can choose any lens look they want that exist and is made for cinema till today.

For example I have old Cooke lens Taylor & Hobson Cine Varotal MkI 25-250mm f3.6 T4.

This lens have a gorgeous look:

Check it out here>>>RED_Hotchilipappers1.mov>>>
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi Andrae,

Any Cine zoom should hold focus throughout it's focus range. A Variable prime implies 'prime lens' quality in a zoom.

I have a 20-120 in BNCR mount that I will put on Ebay soon. I did not realise the prices were so high.

Stephen
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Stephen,

Thanks, I got the definition of variable prime from here:

"Lens manufacturers such as ARRI Media[5], ISCO Precision Optics[6], Schneider[7], Carl Zeiss AG[8], Canon[9] and others still make variable focal length cine and video lenses regularly catalogued as variable primes. A variable prime is sometimes distinguished from a "true zoom" in that the latter maintains focus as the focal length is varied."
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--- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_lens

AC Manual has VP lenses defined as any zoom lens with a ratio of 2.5:1. Would the implication "mostly" be that of sharpness? When you say cine zooms are you referring to PL mount 35mm lenses? If so lenses like the RED 18-50mm and old Angenieux 25-250 doesn't hold focus. I'm quite sure many others don't. Do you know what year the Angenieux 20-120 started or ended production? I'm interested in knowing more about the lens. Are VP lenses usually of limited focal lengths?

Pietro Impagliazzo said:
Only her nose is in focus!
It makes me wanna reach the lens and stop down a bit :P.

This lens is nice... How much does it weight?
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Ten pounds.

Sanjin Jukic said:
Similar vintage zoom lenses can make very nice and original look that you can't achieve with the newest zooms.
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Sanjin, I agree. It's kind of how a DP likes anamorphics for their quirks... not because they are medical lenses.
 
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